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Old 05-19-2012, 03:59 PM   #21
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I think everyone knew he was a LIAR, but they could not really do anything about it other than create an underground CONTROVERSY such as we have evidence with Arius et al. The Emperor Nero called forward the Olympic Games and competed in all events winning all the gold medals. The people of Nero's time knew this was bullshit but they could not really do anything about it.
Emperors of Rome were ASSASINTED by Romans so I don't think the Roman people accepted bullshit all the time.
The evidence itself indicates that after the time of Suetonius (especially during the 3rd century) many Roman emperors were assassinated by the troops and often the Praetorian Guard, the highest echalon of the Roman army troops. The Roman people were continually liberated by the war effort. They had little if any say in the running of the well-oiled military machine. Many of the assassinations were a consequence of the failure of the emperor to appropriately renumerate the soldiers.


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Please see Suetonius' Lives of the Twelve Caesars.

Constantine dismissed the Praetorian Guard, probably as early as 306 CE, and instead surrounded himself at all times by a group of barbarian chieftains, who would share in the conquest of Rome and then the East. The people of the Eastern Roman empire continued to pay tribute to Caesar.

They probably flocked to view the Olympic Games and cheered Emperor Nero when he won all the events, and they probably flocked to view a copy of the Constantine Bible and cheered Bullneck for the publication of the Emperor's Little Red "Good News" Book. It was a marvel of modern technology, and a message direct from the Supreme Monotheistic God of the Universe.
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....The Master Heresiologist Eusebius seems to have indulged in the criminal activity of identity theft of important Platonist theologians in order to assemble a history of the 3rd century Christian lineages of bishops and heresiologists. The most highly revered 3rd century Platonists Ammonius, Origen, Anatolius and Porphyry all seem to be names of authors of most highly revered Christian tractates. What was going on in the scriptoria of Eusebius?


Any investigator examining the mechanism of a conspiracy for the HJ will sooner or later have to study Constantine's heresiologist Eusebius, IN WHOM WE TRUST.
Who was Eusebius anyway??

May I remind you that all of the authors of the Canon are unknown. We have 100% FAKE authorship of the Canon.

What did Eusebius write??? When did he write them???

I expect the figures for FAKE authorship of Apologetic sources that mentioned the FAKE authors of the Canon to Match the Canon.

If someone did NOT Expose the Donation of Constantine as a Forgery we would still believe that it was written in the 4th century.
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A church father and noted forgery expert.........he made reference to Josephus making use of him to prove a jesus thus the noted forgery in Ant 18:3:3, of course you already know this......
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Who was Eusebius anyway??
A church father and noted forgery expert.........he made reference to Josephus making use of him to prove a jesus thus the noted forgery in Ant 18:3:3, of course you already know this......

Who needs the "TF" for Christ's sake Eusebius expertly forged a hand-written letter by Jesus himself to the King of Edessa.

When are reasonable people going to question the historical integrity of the entire 4th century publication of the Christian literary package?
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Jebus was Pecos Bill. Anyone could, and did, (and many still do) make up any tall tale about 'him' they desire.

There are many people who believe Pecos Jebus Bill was invented.

If Jebus was invented there was by necessity an INVENTOR and a PRIORITY DATE just like any other item of intellectual property.
Personally I'd have a few questions I'd like to put to the very first widespread publisher of the Jebus story, because we know who this person (the publisher) was.
You would need to take that up with the guys who composed;

Isaiah 11:1-10

Jeremiah 23:5-6 & 33:14-15

and Zechariah 3:8 & 6:12

As they are the principal ones whom with these words got that 'ol rumor mill a'rolling.
'Mark' just pushed it along.
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Jebus was Pecos Bill. Anyone could, and did, (and many still do) make up any tall tale about 'him' they desire.
There are many people who believe Pecos Jebus Bill was invented.

If Jebus was invented there was by necessity an INVENTOR and a PRIORITY DATE just like any other item of intellectual property.
Personally I'd have a few questions I'd like to put to the very first widespread publisher of the Jebus story, because we know who this person (the publisher) was.
You would need to take that up with the guys who composed;

Isaiah 11:1-10

Jeremiah 23:5-6 & 33:14-15

and Zechariah 3:8 & 6:12

As they are the principal ones whom with these words got that 'ol rumor mill a'rolling.
'Mark' or/and -whoever- wrote the rest of the NT tale just pushed it along.
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Maybe he wasn't human. Maybe he was just a mutant with a healing factor. Or a vampire.
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I had in mind as a conspiracy more of a group think among politically minded types, coupled with inertia.

Do not underestimate the military inertia of supreme imperial warlords, and the "Top-Down" group think. Study Mussolini's use of the propaganda technique termed "The Big Lie".
I'm not claiming to know what happened. Generally, tho, I'd say that warlords and other such heavies, when it comes to philosophy anyway, are better at exploiting than creating.

Moses and Joshua supposedly created the Judaic centralised state monotheistic Jewish religion BCE (Hebrew Bible)

Ardashir created the Sassanid Persian centralised state monotheistic Zoroastrian religion 224 CE (Avesta)

Constantine appears to have created the Roman centralised state monotheistic Christian religion 325 CE (Constantine Bible)

Someone, a hunded years after Muhammad created the Islamic centalised state monotheistic religion. (Quran)

The rise of centralised state monotheistic religions appears to have been favored by warlords.




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Is the Gnostic cosmology not evil?

IIRC, Plotinus' universe emanates from the Good.

I dont see any difference between Ptolemaic cosmology and Gnostic cosmology.

Plotinus' metaphysics statrs and ends with a trinity - the "ONE SPIRIT SOUL" in which the One was supreme. The One was all refered to as "The All" and may be treated as the universe. It was also refered to as "The Good", which in Greek was "Chrestos".


I see the Platonists as being part of the so-called Gnostics. They got shafted at Nicaea, and their trinity was exploited by the post Nicaean Christians.
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Jebus was Pecos Bill. Anyone could, and did, (and many still do) make up any tall tale about 'him' they desire.
There are many people who believe Pecos Jebus Bill was invented.

If Jebus was invented there was by necessity an INVENTOR and a PRIORITY DATE just like any other item of intellectual property.
Personally I'd have a few questions I'd like to put to the very first widespread publisher of the Jebus story, because we know who this person (the publisher) was.
You would need to take that up with the guys who composed;

Isaiah 11:1-10

Jeremiah 23:5-6 & 33:14-15

and Zechariah 3:8 & 6:12

As they are the principal ones whom with these words got that 'ol rumor mill a'rolling.
'Mark' or/and -whoever- wrote the rest of the NT tale just pushed it along.
Mark and the other boneheads certainly used the LXX as a foundational source for their forgery mill but without any attribution. It appears more of a case of hijacking than anything else. The Hebrew Bible certainly had an antiquity to rival Plato's canonical books.
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Were the contradictions in the gospels a rat cunning conspiracy?
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