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Old 04-05-2005, 09:22 PM   #151
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I have no problem with nor do I deny that people can experience God thru different religions. All goodness comes thru The Church and Christ who is the fullness of truth. This however does not means that the other religions are on equal ground with The Church. They are prone to admixture of error.
The funny thing is, many of the other religions would say the same thing but instead have their belief as the true faith that is a step above everyone elses. Again... who to believe. :huh:
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:24 PM   #152
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This derives from the erroneous position that God needs to satisfy man's needs and desires. And you are also looking at it from a parents perspective and their relationship with their sons, with God it is different.
You misunderstand. I'm not commenting on God's relationship to man. All I'm saying is that an (any) entity cannot be morally superior to another based purely on attributes such as power, or knowledge.
For example, Satan cannot be morally superior to me just because he is more powerful or knowledgeable or whatever other characteristic you would care to consider. The same applies to God.
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The funny thing is, many of the other religions would say the same thing but instead have their belief as the true faith that is a step above everyone elses. Again... who to believe. :huh:
Well you can start examining the contents of those religions.
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You misunderstand. I'm not commenting on God's relationship to man. All I'm saying is that an (any) entity cannot be morally superior to another based purely on attributes such as power, or knowledge.
For example, Satan cannot be morally superior to me just because he is more powerful or knowledgeable or whatever other characteristic you would care to consider. The same applies to God.
Like I have said already, God is viewing the whole picture, we just see the little details and with a lot of confusion, we are not to judge God's action based on that.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:12 PM   #155
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Well you can start examining the contents of those religions.
I have... They are all very similar. Most have sacred texts said to be inspired by their particular diety, There is usually a central figure that the followers look to for spiritual guidance. Most claim that they are the one true religion and that their central figure(s) have the true testament from their god(s). I found nothing really original or convincing in any of them that would lead me to believe that any of them are correct.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:33 PM   #156
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God wants us to put our confidence in him. "Blessed is he that has not seen, but believes anyway"
Wasn't it Tertullian who said, "I believe because it is absurd"?

That seems to sum up IAsimis' view.

Since he didn't answer my question of why "One should love God and obey him, freely and without interest" (his words), I can only assume that again we aren't to question why. Believe, believe, believe--the more blindly the better. Hitler used to demand that kind of belief.
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Wasn't it Tertullian who said, "I believe because it is absurd"?

That seems to sum up IAsimis' view.
A rational reason would negate the need for faith. The true believer should believe everything, including (and especially) the contradictions in the Good Book.
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Hitler used to demand that kind of belief.
Skirting dangerously close to Godwin's Law here...
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Like I have said already, God is viewing the whole picture, we just see the little details and with a lot of confusion, we are not to judge God's action based on that.
Again, I'm not judging God here. Notice I said any entity. I'm just presenting the moral abstraction that Might does not make Right. Adding infinite power and/or infinite knowledge into the equation does not change the equation substantially.
God could or could not be morally superior to me, but such would not necessarily obtain from his omnipotence or omniscience.
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You mean the Protestants? The Bible in Protestant hands is stolen property. Like I have pointed before, the distorted notion of "The Bible and me" is a protestant novelty, it is not authoritative.
No, I mean anyone and everyone who claims to have a monololy on "the Truth". The Catholic Church is no more authoritative than anyone else...they just have a longer history of rationalizing why they should be in charge.

Try asking the protestants who rejoice so much atatcking The Church why they accept The Bible as God's word, why do they accept that cannon and not any other?

I do ask them that question...a great many times. I keep getting the same answer that you give: "Because we're right as you can tell if you just read the Bible". I'm pretty sure you're aware of just what

Because The Church determined it, if it were not for that the'll be accepting the Gnostic Gospels as well and would most likely be Arians or Gnostics too.

And the point is...?
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Well you can start examining the contents of those religions.
So here you seem to be saying that the correct choice is apparent to our reason? Perhaps you will add the caveat that we first must be moral? And perhaps also that no one is moral since the Fall (tm), so reason is actually no use, we must be picked out by Gods "salvific" "grace" or something first, as the Calvinist TAGers say.

So which is it? Reason or sit and wait to be picked?

[BTW, I very much admired your drop of humility, but it does rather look as if you are making stuff up on the fly, which is the impression I get with a lot of theology.]
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