Duvduv

So despite their apparently large numbers the Arians could not find a way to escape the regime that was not as strong as it would be in the days of the Nestorians.
And if Justinian was still battling pagans in his empire along with apparently popular judeophile sects, the period since Constantine was more tranquil then would be expected, suggesting that the propaganda was ignored by the political forces despite their interest in achieving uniformity

Duvduv

In what way? Arianism managed to survive among Germans and Visigoths in the far West as Nestorianism did in the East.

Huon

Eusebius of Nicomedia (died 341) was the man who baptised Constantine. He was a bishop of Berytus (Beirut), then of Nicomedia in Bithynia where the imperial court resided, and finally of Constantinople from 338 to 341. Like Arius, he was a pupil of Lucian of Antioch, and he was also one of Arius' most fervent supporters.

Ulfilas, or Wulfila, little wolf (ca. 311 – 383), was a Goth or half-Goth and half-Greek from Cappadocia. Ulfilas was ordained a bishop by Eusebius of Nicomedia around 340, possibly during the council of Antioch (341) and returned to his people to work as a chorepiscopus (bishop of country people). In 348, to escape religious persecution by a Gothic chief, probably Athanaric, he obtained permission from Constantius II to migrate with his flock of converts to Moesia, south bank of the Danube and settle near Nicopolis ad Istrum, in what is now northern Bulgaria. There, Ulfilas translated the Bible from Greek into the Gothic language.

Athanaric (died 381) was king of several branches of the Thervingian Goths for at least two decades in the fourth century.
Athanaric made his first appearance in recorded history in 369, when he engaged in battle with the Eastern Roman Emperor Valens and ultimately negotiated a favorable peace for his people. During his reign, the Thervings were divided by religious issues. Many of them had converted to Arian Christianity during the fourth century, but Athanaric continued to follow the old pagan religion. According to Socrates and Sozomen, Fritigern and Athanaric were rival leaders of the Thervingian Goths. As this rivalry grew into warfare, Athanaric gained the advantage, and Fritigern asked for Roman aid. The Emperor Valens and the Thracian field army intervened. Valens and Fritigern defeated Athanaric, and Fritigern converted to Christianity, following the same arian teachings as Valens followed.

Iskander

"Thereafter the only territory north of the Pyrenees that the Visigoths held was Septimania, such that their kingdom became limited to Hispania. The province came to be dominated by the Visigothic small governing elite at the expense of the Byzantine province of Spania and the Suebic Kingdom of Galicia


In or around 589, the Visigoths, under Reccared I, converted from Arianism to the Nicene faith, gradually adopting the culture of their Hispano-Roman subjects"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths

Duvduv

This article doesn't explain how pursuading "bishops" to accept the revised Nicene Creed ended Arianism under the Byzantines yet among the Germans Arianism existed alongside Nicenism, although this changed for reasons of conquest by the 8th century and was "suppressed" in Spain and North Africa by the 7th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
I presume that Arianism still accepted the virgin birth since the "created" Jesus could become the child of a woman through the same Holy Spirit.

Iskander

During the Reformation the doctrines of Arius came back:


Reformation
Diarmaid MacCulloch
Penguin Books, 2004
Page 187

Duvduv

If the Copts still observe some Jewish practices such as circumcision, is this DESPITE their acceptance of Pauline Christianity which opposes Jewish observances for gentiles??

Iskander

You questions are incomprehensible.

Duvduv

Whose questions are incomprehensible, Iskander?

sotto voce

Christianity makes all observances redundant, in toto. All the observances set up in the OT, from circumcision onwards, were merely temporary pre-figurement of the abstract concepts that were always the aim from the beginning.

If one is circumcised in order to be justified before deity, one presumably has no need of a messiah or christ (and a christ is unavailable, if it is Jesus of Nazareth).