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Old 05-14-2012, 06:36 PM   #111
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But we, after we have thus washed him who has been convinced and has assented to our teaching, bring him to the place where those who are called brethren are assembled, in order that we may offer hearty prayers in common for ourselves and for the baptized [illuminated] person, and for all others in every place, that we may be counted worthy, now that we have learned the truth, by our works also to be found good citizens and keepers of the commandments, so that we may be saved with an everlasting salvation. Having ended the prayers, we salute one another with a kiss. There is then brought to the president of the brethren bread and a cup of wine mixed with water; and he taking them, gives praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and offers thanks at considerable length for our being counted worthy to receive these things at His hands. And when he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all the people present express their assent by saying Amen. This word Amen answers in the Hebrew language to genoito [so be it]. And when the president has given thanks, and all the people have expressed their assent, those who are called by us deacons give to each of those present to partake of the bread and wine mixed with water over which the thanksgiving was pronounced, and to those who are absent they carry away a portion.

And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, "This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;" and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, "This is My blood;" and gave it to them alone. [Justin Apology 65, 66]

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end with a kiss - Moses and Aaron having 'kissing' in the description of their first encounter.

gives praise and glory to the Father of the universe through the Son = Genesis 2:4 Yahweh Shamayim V'eretz = Yeshu (Irenaeus 2:22)?

Jesus made flesh - it does sound like a rather vague statement about Jesus. Who says 'Jim who was made flesh' about a real person? The implication is a supernatural being who became embodied, such as Stephen J Davis describes about the surviving Coptic understanding of the 'Incarnation' as an ongoing process. In this case however 'flesh' = the sacraments of the Eucharist = "our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh"
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[Justin Apology 65, 66]
'Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation.' Article VI
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ἀλλήλους φιλήματι ἀσπαζόμεθα παυσάμενοι τῶν εὐχῶν = Having ended the prayers, we salute one another with a kiss (perhaps more accurately rendered "we greet one another with a kiss having ended the prayers"). Moses and Aaron greet one another with a kiss when they first see each other.
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Exodus 4:27 LXX of Moses and Aaron - "and they kissed each other" καὶ κατεφίλησαν ἀλλήλους
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From the Passion of Perpetua and Felicity

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And when she had heard what had already happened, she did not believe it until she had perceived certain signs of injury in her body and in her dress, and had recognised the catechumen. Afterwards causing that catechumen and the brother to approach, she addressed them, saying, Stand fast in the faith, and love one another, all of you, and be not offended at my sufferings. The same Saturus at the other entrance exhorted the soldier Pudens, saying, Assuredly here I am, as I have promised and foretold, for up to this moment I have felt no beast. And now believe with your whole heart. Lo, I am going forth to that beast, and I shall be destroyed with one bite of the leopard. And immediately at the conclusion of the exhibition he was thrown to the leopard; and with one bite of his he was bathed with such a quantity of blood, that the people shouted out to him as he was returning, the testimony of his second baptism, Saved and washed, saved and washed. Manifestly he was assuredly saved who had been glorified in such a spectacle. Then to the soldier Pudens he said, Farewell, and be mindful of my faith; and let not these things disturb, but confirm you. And at the same time he asked for a little ring from his finger, and returned it to him bathed in his wound, leaving to him an inherited token and the memory of his blood. And then lifeless he is cast down with the rest, to be slaughtered in the usual place. And when the populace called for them into the midst, that as the sword penetrated into their body they might make their eyes partners in the murder, they rose up of their own accord, and transferred themselves whither the people wished; but they first kissed one another [πρῶτον κατεφίλησαν ἀλλήλους], that they might consummate their martyrdom with the kiss of peace.
Jesus being kissed by Judas is remarkably similar at least contextually
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Of them it is said (Ps. lxxxv. 10): "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed [each other]"; for Moses stood for righteousness, according to Deut. xxxiii. 21, and Aaron for peace, according to Mal. ii. 6. Again, mercy was personified in Aaron, according to Deut. xxxiii. 8, and truth in Moses, according to Num. xii. 7 (Tan., Shemot, ed. Buber, 24-26).
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Ἐντολὴν καινὴν δίδωμι ὑμῖν, ἵνα ἀγαπᾶτε ἀλλήλους, καθὼς ἠγάπησα ὑμᾶς ἵνα καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀγαπᾶτε ἀλλήλους [John 13:34]

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
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ἀλλήλους φιλήματι ἀσπαζόμεθα παυσάμενοι τῶν εὐχῶν = Having ended the prayers, we salute one another with a kiss (perhaps more accurately rendered "we greet one another with a kiss having ended the prayers"). Moses and Aaron greet one another with a kiss when they first see each other.
They had not seen each other for forty years, these brothers.
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An interesting fact which is well known to Samaritanologists. In Marqe (= the definitive exegesis of Holy Writ) it is not only Moses and Aaron who kiss

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How good to see them embracing there, between them great joy, the one kissing the other with tears in their eyes, having double love for one another. "Welcome, my brother," Aaron said to Moses, "The years have been too long for me since last seeing you. Time is short! The God of the world has proclaimed to me in your name."
But there is an interesting kissing exchange between Moses and Jacob and the sons of Aaron. It begins with the announcement of the death of Moses which was originally made to Joshua and then new carries to Eleazar, Ithamar and Phinehas:

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they saw Joshua standing weeping, they said to him, "What is the matter? Why are you weeping?" He answered them, his tears flowing down like rain, "My lord Moses this day seeks to go up to die." This statement was distressing to the holy priests and they were
gravely troubled when they heard this news from Joshua. They made haste to go, accompanied by the whole priestly house, and came to the great prophet Moses. When they reached him, they kissed his face on both sides and then fell at his feet. Phinehas the son of Eleazar was carrying the trumpet in his hand and standing before Moses weeping. The great prophet Moses said to him, "O grandson of my brother, stand you and Ithamar at the gate of the place of meeting, the trumpets in your hands, and blow a blast that all the congregation may hear and come here and be arrayed before me and I shall pronounce peace upon them." [Mimar Marqe 5:2]
Then after an elaborate ceremony Moses kisses the future high priest:

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He looked at Eleazar, situated on his right. He kissed his face and said to him, "My brother's son, O vice-regent of the Lord, O inheritor of the high priesthood, you are exalted above the status of ordinary priesthood which you have inherited, and your actions will take place in the holy Sanctuary and you will be worthy of that."

He looked at Ithamar and said to him, "My brother's son, you are an anointed priest and you will have charge of all the Levites and all the holy vessels. Concerning you and your father it is written by me, "So Eleazar and Ithamar served as priests in the lifetime of Aaron their father" (Num. iii. 4; Targ.). Keep your priesthood and all the holy things in your possession. Do not go astray from the way of the True One. Be righteous in yourself before the Judge who does not show partiality."

He looked at Phinehas, seated on his left, and wept and kissed his hand, the hand by which he had taken the spear and pierced the adulterer and adulteress, so that he removed wrath from against Israel. He said to him, "My brother's grandson, your zeal is manifest among all the generations. When you see a man erring, be up and slay him, as
you did Zimri and Cozbit, and you preserved six hundred thousand by your zeal along with the zeal of the Lord of the world."

He looked at Joshua the son of Nun and said to him, "O my servant, my pupil, be strong and of good courage (Deut. xxxi. 23). Y o u are the one who will lead the descendants of Abraham, the children of Isaac, the tribes of Jacob. For you shall bring this people into the land (ibid.) sworn to the Righteous ones. The sun will shine upon you and the
Lord will go before you. He will be with you [ibid.). He who has God with him shall suffer no affliction. Do not fear or be dismayed (Deut. xxxi. 8 ) .

The last thing he said to Joshua was "He who has God with him, of whom should he be afraid?" [ibid]
Then there is another elaborate farewell where all the people kiss Moses on the hand:

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The moment the great prophet Moses reached the foot of Mount Nebo, all the tribes went forward to him, tribe after tribe, and kissed his hand and saluted him, till the whole congregation had finished. Eleazar, Ithamar and Phinehas approached him, embraced him and kissed his face and saluted him. They were followed b y Joshua the son of Nun his minister, who went forward, kissed his face, prostrated himself at his feet and said, "Peace be to you, O faithful one of the house of God.\

Peace be to you, O treasure of prophethood.
Peace be to you, O piercer of veils.
Peace be to you, you who trod the fire.
Peace be to you, you who approached the deep darkness.
Peace be to you, you who wear the brightness of light.
Peace be to you, O receiver of the two tablets.
Peace be to you, whom the Lord addressed face to face openly, not secretly.
Peace be to you, the like of whom has not arisen and never will arise.
O lord of the prophets, it is hard to part from you this day."

After this the great prophet Moses lifed up his voice and said, "O congregation, be in peace, be in peace. After this day I shall not receive from or give to you ever again." When the congregation heard this statement they were considerably upset. They raised their voice, weeping, and said,

"By your life, O apostle of God, remain with us a little longer.
By your life, O seal of the prophets, stop with us a little"—but God called him inwardly, "Make haste!" [ibid 5.3]
The thing to keep your eye on is the fact that Moses only kisses the face of the high priest (Aaron, Eliezar).
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