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Old 05-18-2007, 10:23 PM   #91
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This is more about the history surrounding the OT, than about the OT itself, but what do we know about the development of monotheism by the Jews? Did it happen in stages? What preceded it? Was it part of a bigger trend, or limited to the Jews themselves? Etc.?
I’m no expert, but you might want to consider abandoning the idea that all “Jews” believed in the same thing - and that their religion evolved in a unified trajectory.
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Old 05-19-2007, 03:15 AM   #92
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What would you like to demonstrate as historical from the bible? -- and I mean, not assume it as you did with Abraham.


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I assumed nothing, if a reasonably close check is made. I do assume, however, that persons I debate with are rational. Now out of your computer came these words:

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Were those words due to random generation? Is Gates or Jobs smarter than we thought? Or are they words of spin?
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Old 05-19-2007, 03:18 AM   #93
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So what if 15:2 reads “adonay Yahweh?” How does that get you off the hook? You appear to be claiming that the Melchizedek character of 14 was talking about “adonay Yahweh” character in chapter 15 - and that is where I disagree.

It looks to me like Genesis 14 (the entire chapter) is an insertion.
Convenient, eh?
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I assumed nothing, if a reasonably close check is made. I do assume, however, that persons I debate with are rational. Now out of your computer came these words:

Were those words due to random generation? Is Gates or Jobs smarter than we thought? Or are they words of spin?
Nice talking to ya. :wave:
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