Amaleq13

Except in Paul's gospel. It isn't unsubstantiated speculation that a crucified Christ was central to his theology.

Is there evidence that other, similar art from the time tended to be more realistic in its depictions of dying demi-gods?

It seems to me this is entirely consistent with such images being created after the developed theology expressed in John. The Jesus in that story is in control of the entire process and hangs on the cross only because he wishes it to happen. He has no second thoughts nor asks to be saved as depicted in earlier versions of the story. This is a Jesus who takes his scourging and being nailed to the cross with perfect composure.

Why do you move the mortal wound from the chest to the side? Is it because displaying a chest wound would be possible if one simply shoved a spear up the ass of the effigy?

spin

Hey Ameleq13,

I don't think there's any point in talking with either Juliana or Aquitaine, unless you feel benevolent. Neither of them has the expertise to respond meaningfully regarding the Carotta theory. They usually don't respond to much at all and when they do respond it's mainly conjecture. We've helped enough in finding weak spots in a weak theory.


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Juliana

I don't think I said I can't feel anything.

Jesus was stabbed in the chest, interestingly by a soldier called Longinus. What is the name of the main conspirator beside Brutus? Cassius Longinus.
Most of the elements of Caesar's story are found in Mark who was used by the other synoptics. But there are elements in the other gospels as well.
How exactly that happened is an interesting question and Carotta has explanations for that but it certainly is worthy of further research.

Carotta gives good reasons why they can be conflated and he certainly didn't do it "as a christian apologist conflates the contrary birth narratives." Read the whole book and the additional material on the website.

Good example.

Juliana

Amaleq13

You seem to be getting your stories confused. Caesar was stabbed in the chest but the Gospel stories describe Jesus getting stabbed in the side. Remember how you changed it from "chest" to "side" in your earlier post? I assumed that was to create the appearance of correspondence.

Where in the Gospels do you find the soldier named "Longinus"? It is my understanding that this legend cannot be dated any earlier than the 6th century CE.

Well, most of the elements of Caesar's story can be made to parallel Mark's story if unsubstantiated speculation is allowed. I think it would be curious if such parallels could not be found given such lenient standards.

What is the parallel for Mark's depiction of Jesus' family considering him crazy?

spin

It's past the feeling pain stage.

Are you now redefining pleura?

Which gospel says "Longinus"??

A few events in Caesar's life:

1. Caesar is kidnapped by Cilician pirates
2. Caesar has a son by Cleopatra
3. Caesar was married a few times and had several affairs
4. Caesar held various political offices including the highest in the land
5. Caesar crossed the Rubicon -- he didn't just splash in it
6. Caesar travelled throughout the Mediterranean area
7. Caesar laid siege to several places in Gaul
8. and on and on...

Most of the elements of Caesar's story? What utter crap. You can play with names and stretch events and conflate them, but this claim is utter crap.

Naturally the epistemology, the central part of Carotta's effort, is missing.

You've failed to make a single case in favour of a Carotta reconstruction. Either it's your fault for misrepresenting him or it's your fault for picking this schemozzle. Enough already.

:wave:


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Amaleq13

While I am typically a paragon of benevolence , I have to agree that I'm not inclined to pursue this much further. I assume what we've seen is certainly no stronger an argument than we might expect for any other specific claim. I have to conclude that Carotta is an excellent writer to obtain so much conviction on the basis of so little objective evidence.

He should start a cult.

Juliana

The apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus

It has been said repeatedly here that the story begins on the Rubicon. You perfectly know that. Caesar's travelling through the Mediterranean sea is Jesus' traveling on the thalassa (the sea, not the limne, the lake).

We were not discussing epistemology. Just read your Popper that's enough for you, you won't understand anything else anyway.

The attentive readers here have no problem discerning who is misrepresenting and distorting facts all the time an especially nice example being your eli, eli... outburst.
"Schemozzle" certainly is the right word for what you have been enacting here.

spin

Juliana: :wave:

Juliana

spin: :wave:

spin

Dunno 'bout that, as most cult followers must have reading problems.

But it's definitely time to cut the carottid artery.