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Old 12-07-2005, 12:42 AM   #11
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You have to come to a conclusion based on the evidence
Even though your evidence is limited
Conclusion? What conclusion? I thought I am asking questions, and looking any significant or reasonable explanation from you. Do you have not?

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Your conclusion is for you the truth
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Conclusion is for me the truth? Truth is the conclusion?

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Nobody can blame you for concluding that it is the truth unless new evidence is presented to you
Err... Why should I care is someone is blaming me? You are going to present evidence?

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Your conclusions must necessarily be untrue becuase you arrived at the conclusion without all the evidence
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So, basically, I guess, I really need to be a rocket scientist to drive a car...

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God is in you
Ya, ya, ya... Whatever... As I said, I prefer goddess, especially those without cloths.

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Your believe - rather than your conclusions based on what you see... the evidence - is what you must trust
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Just as the "untrue" conclusion you deduced from the limited evidence is for you truth; for now.
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What conclusion?

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If you are comfortable with what you believe; it is truth for now.
Truth can be just for now?

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If you doubt what you believe is not true; believe something else.
One can have truth when there is still doubt?

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I now tell you God is everything
Sure... God is poo...

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I tell you because it was revealed to me.
Sure... So, the poo reveal to you that it is god?

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Do not believe if you choose not to believe
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Trust your believe for God is in you
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First "Do not believe blah blah blah...", then "Trust your believe for god is in you?" Do not believe yet trust your believe? This one confused post...
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Old 12-07-2005, 01:14 AM   #12
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I am endowed with the gift of prophecy. I predict, formally, that this thread will also be sent ~Elsewhere.

Eldarion Lathria
I protest to this interpretation of the word prophecy. A prophecy must refer to something unlikely to happen, or else it is just stating the obvious. "The sun will rise tomorrow" or "I will skip washing the car this weekend again" or "threads consisting of little more than enumerating particular instantiations of (forall A B: A is B) go to h~E~ll" are not prophecies in this sense.
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Old 12-07-2005, 06:23 AM   #13
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From what I gather 911 has made fifty content-free posts since joining. He's got quite a way to go before he can hope to take the title but I think he might have a shot at it. This'll be a challenger to watch, folks!
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:54 AM   #14
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Conclusion? What conclusion? I thought I am asking questions, and looking any significant or reasonable explanation from you. Do you have not?
:huh:
Conclusion is for me the truth? Truth is the conclusion?
Err... Why should I care is someone is blaming me? You are going to present evidence?
:huh:
So, basically, I guess, I really need to be a rocket scientist to drive a car...
Ya, ya, ya... Whatever... As I said, I prefer goddess, especially those without cloths.
:huh:
:huh:
What conclusion?
Truth can be just for now?
One can have truth when there is still doubt?
Sure... God is poo...
Sure... So, the poo reveal to you that it is god?
:huh:
:huh:
First "Do not believe blah blah blah...", then "Trust your believe for god is in you?" Do not believe yet trust your believe? This one confused post...
OK let me try to explain what I have posted the last couple of days. It was preferred that you meditate on it but it seems you want to be spoonfed.

Well I got the go ahead to spoon feed you.... never mind; I know you think I am loony tunes to say that - I have considered that too.

When you say that something is true you say that it is true based on what?

Based on evidence is it not?

Well if the evidence includes the past; the present and the future then whatever you conclude can never be true can it?

Yet if that is the case; we go through life without coming to any conclusion whatsoever. We have no truths to go on.

So we go with what we believe is the truth.

As more evidence comes in; it either strengthen your believe of weakens your believe.

If you held on to certain truths and your believe weakens as time goes on; abandon it.

Firstly know that what you believe as truth is not; it is always based on incomplete evidence

Yet because you have to come to a conclusion; this is the truth - for the time being

I think you come from a place where spoonfeeding if rife.
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:56 AM   #15
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I protest to this interpretation of the word prophecy. A prophecy must refer to something unlikely to happen, or else it is just stating the obvious. "The sun will rise tomorrow" or "I will skip washing the car this weekend again" or "threads consisting of little more than enumerating particular instantiations of (forall A B: A is B) go to h~E~ll" are not prophecies in this sense.
Please tell me why God is everthing cannot hold water?
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Old 12-07-2005, 08:11 AM   #16
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From what I gather 911 has made fifty content-free posts since joining. He's got quite a way to go before he can hope to take the title but I think he might have a shot at it. This'll be a challenger to watch, folks!
God is God

This statement is meant for those who says God is Allah or God is Jesus or God is Jehovah or God is Krishna

To say God is so and so immediately turns God into an idol.

A name is limited by the meaning accorded the name

God is everything

To say God is Good immediately turns God into an idol

It means that God cannot be Evil

Just because you cannot comprehend that Good and Evil can exist simultaneously does not mean it cannot

Before quantum physics; an electron cannot be in 2 places at the same time

What you believe then becomes the truth

When new evidence comes in; doubt either emerges or your believe is strengthened

Go with your believe - abandon what you believe not

Trust what you believe for what you believe is truth
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Old 12-07-2005, 08:46 AM   #17
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OK let me try to explain what I have posted the last couple of days.
OK. Finally... I hope.

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It was preferred that you meditate on it..
I do not meditate loony stuff. I value clarity and understanding, not some incoherent mumble jumble garbage.

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When you say that something is true you say that it is true based on what?
Err... When did I say something is true?

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Based on evidence is it not?
Not just evidence. Facts, unbiased investigation, accompany by knowledge and understanding, associate with an open mind, willingness to accept the possibility where assumption, the basis of opinion maybe wrong, are all important for our learning, our practice and our quest for the very truth of the reality.

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Well if the evidence includes the past; the present and the future then whatever you conclude can never be true can it?
If it is indeed the Truth, then it must be able to stand the test of time, whether is past, present or future, it will still remain to be true. If what is accepted as true is later found untrue, or what was thought is false is later found to be true, then it is just a sign of misunderstanding and misconception.

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Yet if that is the case; we go through life without coming to any conclusion whatsoever. We have no truths to go on.
Nope, it is only the ignorant and the stubborn, who carelessly holding false or wrong view as the truth; they are the ones who hold no truth in their lives.

If there is indeed Truth in life, if such Truth does indeed realized by those who achieved and established, then they will act in accordance with the Truth.

For those who do not hold Truth, we act by knowledge and understanding. However we do not hold our knowledge and understanding as the Truth.

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So we go with what we believe is the truth.
Rubbish! If there is Truth, it is for us to learn and understand, not for us to believe. He who said "he go with what he believe is the truth" is the one who live in his own delusion.

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As more evidence comes in; it either strengthen your believe of weakens your believe...
No! We improve our knowledge and understanding, we do not improve our believe.


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Yet because you have to come to a conclusion; this is the truth - for the time being
Conclusion is the truth? Conclusion maybe our understanding or interpretation to the Truth (if there is), however it is by itself, not the truth.
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Old 12-07-2005, 10:12 AM   #18
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Please tell me why God is everthing cannot hold water?
It can if it is properly shaped; my point was only that it has to perform this feat in the Elsewhere forum.

Now seriously: tell me one difference between god being everything and there being no god whatsoever. Just one difference will do. In other words, tell me how the truth or falsity of this theory of yours can impact anyone, anywhere at all. In yet other words, tell me how could this theory be falsified.
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I see I'm going to have to revise. He's now made sixty content-free posts. Still hundreds short but he might be able to go all the way.
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I see I'm going to have to revise. He's now made sixty content-free posts. Still hundreds short but he might be able to go all the way.
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Hey... Don't encourage him like that...
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