Jeffrey Gibson

My post addresses your claim that we cannot find the words "Christian" or "Christians" within any writing dated to the second century.

Leaving aside the question of which ones are what you say they are (do you know, how does any of what you claim above work against the fact that one can and does find the word Christian(s) within them.

And just what would "corroboration from antiquity" be that in your eyes would demonstrate that the word Christian or Christians is used in these texts?

Are you actually calling me a liar when I say that the word Christian or Christians appears the texts noted above?

What evidence can you bring forth to show that these words do not appear in, say, the Letters attributed to Marcus Aurelius or Cassius Dio?

Jeffrey

aa5874

You do not know what you are talking about!! I did not make such a claim.

I am extremely disturbed when you make blatant erroneous statements.


Please, my argument is that copies of supposed 2nd century writings attributed to Christians like Justin and Tatian also do not mention the word Christian.

I actually listed the writings attributed to Justin and Tatian that do not mention Christians.

In fact, these writings attributed to Justin and Tatian do NOT mention even Jesus Christ.

Tatian

1."Discourse to the Greeks"

Justin
1. Hortatory Address to the Greeks

2. On the Resurrection.

3. Discourse to the Greeks.

4. On the Sole Government of God.

Essentially, Andrew's argument that the Pauline writings were 1st century because they do NOT mention Christians is extremely weak.

Jeffrey Gibson

But other writings attributed to Justin -- in fact one's that you quote from -- do mention Christians.

Jeffrey

aa5874

Well, that is precisely the point. Some writings attributed to 2nd century writers do NOT mention Christians.

Andrew failed to comprehend that fact.

Supposed copies of 2nd century writings also do not mention the word Christians so it is the weakest of weak claims that the Pauline writings were early merely because they do NOT mention Christians.

Jeffrey Gibson

Ah, but you did.

I fail to see how I have made erroneous statements of any kind, let alone blatant ones.

And I provided you with the names of 2nd century Christian (and non Christian) writings in which the term "Christians" appear. So your "argument" is wrong.


So what? Justin wrote more than the works you listed. And even you, limited as you are in your English vocabulary, do not use all the words you know in everything you post here.

Now you've changed the terms of the game. Before it was the term ""Christians" . Now it's "Jesus Christ".

And as to your new claim -- Sorry, but you are wrong again.

Tatianus Apol.
Tatianus Apol., Diatesseron
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ὀ]ψ̣ίας δὲ γενομένης ἐπὶ τ̣[ῇ Π]α̣ρ̣[α]ς-
[κευῇ], v ὅ ἐστιν Προσάββατον, προς-
[ῆλθεν] ἄνθρωπος βουλευτὴ̣[ς ὑ]π̣ά̣ρ-
[χων ἀ]π̣ὸ̣ Ἐρινμαθαία[ς] π̣[ό]λ̣ε̣ω̣ς τῆς
[Ἰουδαί]ας, ὄνομα Ἰω[σήφ], ἀ[γ]αθὸς δί-
[καιος], ὢν μαθητὴς τ̣[ο]ῦ̣ Ἰη(σοῦ), κ̣ε̣ – vvvv
[κρυμ]μ̣ένος δὲ διὰ τ̣ὸ̣ν̣ φό̣βον τ̣ῶν
[Ἰουδαίω]ν, καὶ αὐτὸς προσεδέχετο
[τὴν] v β̣[ασιλείαν] τοῦ̣ Θ(εο)ῦ.



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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Cohortatio ad gentiles
Morel page 36, section C, line 2

Πλὴν ἀλλ' ἐπειδήπερ, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἕλληνες, οὐκ ἐν ποιη-
τικοῖς μέτροις τὰ τῆς ἀληθοῦς θεοσεβείας πράγματα οὐδὲ ἐν
τῇ παρ' ὑμῖν εὐδοκιμούσῃ παιδεύσει, ἀφέμενοι λοιπὸν τῆς τῶν
μέτρων καὶ λόγων ἀκριβείας, τοῖς ὑπ' αὐτῆς εἰρημένοις ἀφι-
λονείκως προσέχοντες γνῶτε πόσων ὑμῖν ἀγαθῶν αἰτία ἔσται,
τὴν τοῦ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἄφιξιν σαφῶς καὶ φανε-
ρῶς προαγορεύουσα· ὃς τοῦ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων λόγος ἀχώρητος
δυνάμει, τὸν κατ' εἰκόνα θεοῦ καὶ ὁμοίωσιν πλασθέντα ἀνα-
λαβὼν ἄνθρωπον, τῆς τῶν ἀρχαίων ἡμᾶς προγόνων ἀνέμνησε
θεοσεβείας, ἣν οἱ ἐξ αὐτῶν γενόμενοι ἄνθρωποι καταλιπόντες
διδασκαλίᾳ βασκάνου δαίμονος ἐπὶ τὴν τῶν μὴ θεῶν ἐτράπη-
σαν θρησκείαν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Cohortatio ad gentiles
Morel page 37, section A, line 2

Εἰ τοίνυν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἕλληνες,
μὴ προτιμοτέραν ἡγεῖσθε τῆς ὑμῶν αὐτῶν σωτηρίας τὴν περὶ
τῶν μὴ ὄντων θεῶν ψευδῆ φαντασίαν, πείσθητε, ὥσπερ ἔφην,
τῇ ἀρχαιοτάτῃ καὶ σφόδρα παλαιᾷ Σιβύλλῃ, ἧς τὰς βίβλους ἐν
πάσῃ τῇ οἰκουμένῃ σώζεσθαι συμβαίνει, περὶ μὲν τῶν λεγο-
μένων θεῶν ὡς μὴ ὄντων ἀπό τινος δυνατῆς ἐπιπνοίας διὰ
χρησμῶν ὑμᾶς διδασκούσῃ, περὶ δὲ τῆς τοῦ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν
Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μελλούσης ἔσεσθαι παρουσίας καὶ περὶ πάν-
των τῶν ὑπ' αὐτοῦ γίνεσθαι μελλόντων σαφῶς καὶ φανερῶς
προαναφωνούσῃ· ἔσται γὰρ ὑμῖν ἀναγκαῖον προγύμνασμα ἡ
τούτων γνῶσις τῆς τῶν ἱερῶν ἀνδρῶν προφητείας.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, De resurrectione
Morel page 588, section D, line 1

Ἔστι δὲ
οὗτος Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, ὁ σωτὴρ ἡμῶν καὶ δεσπότης· οὗ-
τος τοίνυν αὐτός ἐστιν ἑαυτοῦ τε καὶ τῶν ὅλων πίστις τε
καὶ ἀπόδειξις.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, De resurrectione
Morel page 589, section B, line 4

Εἰσὶ δέ τινες οἳ λέγουσι καὶ αὐτὸν τὸν Ἰη-
σοῦν πνευματικὸν μόνον παρεῖναι, μηκέτι ἐν σαρκί, φαντα-
σίαν δὲ σαρκὸς παρεσχηκέναι, πειρώμενοι καὶ αὐτοὶ ἀπο-
στερεῖν τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τὴν σάρκα.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, De resurrectione
Morel page 589, section E, line 4

Καὶ ὁ κύ-
ριος δὲ ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦς ὁ Χριστὸς οὐ δι' ἄλλο τι ἐκ παρθένου
ἐγεννήθη, ἀλλ' ἵνα καταργήσῃ γέννησιν ἐπιθυμίας ἀνόμου
καὶ δείξῃ τῷ ἄρχοντι καὶ δίχα συνουσίας ἀνθρωπίνης δυνα-
τὴν εἶναι τῷ θεῷ τὴν ἀνθρώπου πλάσιν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, De resurrectione
Morel page 593, section E, line 8

Ἀλλὰ ἀγαθός ἐστι καὶ σώζεσθαι πάντας θέλει· καὶ δὴ
αὐτοῦ καὶ τοῦ κηρύγματος αὐτοῦ οὐχὶ μόνον ἤκουσεν ἡ ψυχὴ
ἡμῶν καὶ σὺν αὐτῇ ἡ σάρξ, καὶ ἐπίστευσαν εἰς Χριστὸν Ἰη-
σοῦν, ἀλλ' ἀμφότερα ἐλούσαντο καὶ ἀμφότερα τὴν δικαιοσύνην
εἰργάσαντο.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, De resurrectione
Morel page 595, section E, line 3

Εἰ δὲ ὁ ἡμέτερος ἰα-
τρὸς Ἰησοῦς ὁ Χριστός, ἀπὸ τῶν ἐπιθυμιῶν ἡμῶν ἀπο-
σπάσας, διαιτᾶται τῇ κατ' αὐτὸν σώφρονι καὶ ἐγκρατεῖ
διαίτῃ τὴν σάρκα ἡμῶν, δῆλον ὡς ἐλπίδα σωτηρίας ἔχουσαν
ἀπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτημάτων αὐτὴν φυλάσσει, καθάπερ τοὺς ἐλ-
πίδα σωτηρίας ἔχοντας ἀνθρώπους οἱ ἰατροὶ οὐκ ἐῶσιν ὑπη-
ρετεῖν ταῖς ἡδοναῖς.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Expositio rectae fidei
Morel page 375, section C, line 4

Ὁμοίως
δὲ καὶ ὁ μακάριος Παῦλος, θείῳ πυρὶ κάτοχος ὢν καὶ τὸ δια-
καὲς τῆς περὶ τὸν θεὸν ἀγάπης ἐνδεικνύμενος καὶ τὸ βέ-
βαιον τοῦ φίλτρου μαρτυρούμενος, οὕτως φησίν· Πέ-
πεισμαι γὰρ ὅτι οὔτε ζωὴ οὔτε κόσμος οὔτε θάνατος, οὔτε
ἄγγελοι οὔτε δυνάμεις οὔτε ἀρχαί, οὔτε ἐνεστῶτα οὔτε μέλ-
λοντα, οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνή-
σεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ
Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Expositio rectae fidei
Morel page 376, section A, line 5

Ὁ οὖν κύριος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς
μετὰ τὴν ἐκ νεκρῶν ἀνάστασιν, τὴν εἰς οὐρανοὺς ἄνοδον ποι-
εῖσθαι μέλλων, καὶ τὴν τῶν ἐθνῶν μαθητείαν καὶ τὴν τοῦ
βαπτίσματος διδαχὴν τοὺς ἀποστόλους ἐπαίδευσεν· Πορευ-
θέντες μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες αὐτοὺς εἰς
τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Expositio rectae fidei
Morel page 376, section B, line 3

Καὶ Κορινθίοις δὲ γράφων ὁ μακάριος Παῦλος τῷ τέλει τῆς
ἐπιστολῆς, οἱονεὶ σφραγῖδά τινα τῇ διδασκαλίᾳ περιτιθείς,
ἐπάγει· Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ ἡ ἀγάπη
τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ πατρὸς καὶ ἡ κοινωνία τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος
μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Expositio rectae fidei
Morel page 376, section B, line 6

Καὶ πάλιν πρὸς Ἐφεσίους οὕτως φη-
σίν· Ὄντος ἀκρογωνιαίου αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἐν ᾧ πᾶσα
οἰκοδομὴ συναρμολογουμένη αὔξει εἰς ναὸν ἅγιον ἐν κυρίῳ, ἐν
ᾧ καὶ ὑμεῖς συνοικοδομεῖσθε εἰς κατοικητήριον τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν
πνεύματι.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Expositio rectae fidei
Morel page 376, section C, line 7

Καὶ τοῦτο δῆλον ἀφ' ὧν
καὶ ἐν ἑτέρῳ φησίν· Τούτου χάριν κάμπτω τὰ γόνατά
μου πρὸς τὸν πατέρα τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἐξ
οὗ πᾶσα πατριὰ ἐν οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς ὀνομάζεται, ἵνα
δῴη ὑμῖν κατὰ τὸν πλοῦτον τῆς δόξης αὐτοῦ δυνάμει κρα-
ταιωθῆναι διὰ τοῦ πνεύματος αὐτοῦ εἰς τὸν ἔσω ἄνθρωπον,
κατοικῆσαι τὸν Χριστόν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Epistula ad Zenam et Serenum
Morel page 514, section B, line 1

Γυνὴ δ' ἐστὶν ἀδελφὴ μὲν πᾶσα, τοῦ δὲ πλησίον εἴ-
ρηται γυνή, τοῦτ' ἔστιν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν
(ὅντινα μετὰ τὴν πρὸς θεὸν καὶ πατέρα τῶν ὅλων ἀγάπην,
ὅτι πλησίον ἐστὶν αὐτοῦ, τιμητέον καὶ ἀγαπητέον), ὡς Παῦ-
λος· Ἡρμοσάμην, λέγει, πάντας ὑμᾶς ἑνὶ ἀνδρί, παρθένον
ἁγνὴν παραστῆσαι τῷ Χριστῷ.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 414, section B, line 8

Ἐπειδὴ διάφοροι φῆμαι περὶ ὧν ἐποιήσατο θαυμάτων ὁ
Ἰησοῦς διέτρεχον, τῶν μὲν λεγόντων· Ἡλίας ἐστὶν ὁ ταῦτα
ποιῶν, τῶν δέ· Ἱερεμίας, τῶν δέ· Ἄλλος τις τῶν προφητῶν,
ταύτας τὰς φήμας ἀκούων ὁ Ἰωάννης ἐν τῇ εἱρκτῇ πέμπει τοὺς
μαθητὰς αὑτοῦ μαθεῖν, εἰ ὁ τὰ σημεῖα ποιῶν αὐτός ἐστιν
ὁ ὑπ' αὐτοῦ μαρτυρηθείς, ἢ ἕτερός τις ὁ παρὰ τῶν πολλῶν
θρυλλούμενος.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 414, section C, line 5

Γνοὺς δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς τοῦ Ἰωάννου τὸν σκοπὸν
ἐπὶ τῆς παρουσίας τῶν μαθητῶν Ἰωάννου ἐποίησε πολλὰ
θαύματα, πείθων αὐτοὺς καὶ τὸν Ἰωάννην δι' αὐτῶν, ὡς αὐτὸς
εἴη ὁ πεποιηκὼς καὶ τὰ ἐπ' ὀνόματι ἑτέρων φημιζόμενα θαύ-
ματα, ὁ ὑπ' αὐτοῦ μαρτυρηθείς.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 418, section C, line 6

Καθάπερ Ἰησοῦς, ὁ τοῦ Ναυῆ, μέλλων
κατ' αὐθεντίαν ἡλίῳ καὶ σελήνῃ προστάσσειν τὴν στάσιν,
λαμβάνει τοῦ Ἰησοῦ τὸ ὑπὸ τῆς κτίσεως τῇ ὑπακοῇ τοῦ
προστάγματος τιμώμενον, οὕτως καὶ ὁ Ἰεζεκιὴλ λαμβάνει τοῦ
υἱοῦ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τὸ ὄνομα καὶ διὰ τῆς ὀπτασίας ἐγείρει τοὺς
νεκροὺς τῇ δυνάμει τοῦ προσρήματος.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 429, section C, line 8

Φησὶ γὰρ Ματθαῖος
ὁ εὐαγγελιστὴς οὕτως· Πρωΐας δὲ γενομένης συμβούλιον ἔλα-
βον πάντες οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς καὶ οἱ πρεσβύτεροι τοῦ λαοῦ κατὰ τοῦ
Ἰησοῦ, ὅπως θανατώσωσιν αὐτόν· καὶ δήσαντες αὐτὸν ἀπή-
γαγον καὶ παρέδωκαν αὐτὸν Ποντίῳ Πιλάτῳ τῷ ἡγεμόνι.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 429, section D, line 3

Ὡσαύτως δὲ καὶ Ἰωάννης ὁ εὐαγγελιστής φησιν· Ἄγουσι
τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἀπὸ τοῦ Καϊάφα εἰς τὸ πραιτώριον· ἦν δὲ πρωΐ.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 429, section D, line 5

Καὶ πάλιν· Ὁ Πιλάτος οὖν ἀκούσας τούτων τῶν λόγων ἤγα-
γεν ἔξω τὸν Ἰησοῦν, καὶ ἐκάθισεν ἐπὶ τοῦ βήματος εἰς τόπον
λεγόμενον Λιθόστρωτον, ἑβραϊστὶ δὲ Γαββαθᾶ· ἦν δὲ παρα-
σκευὴ τοῦ πάσχα, ὥρα δὲ ὡσεὶ ἕκτη.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 436, section A, line 3

Εἰ τῆς παρούσης καταστάσεως τὸ τέλος ἐστὶν ἡ διὰ τοῦ
πυρὸς κρίσις τῶν ἀσεβῶν, καθά φασιν αἱ γραφαὶ προφητῶν
τε καὶ ἀποστόλων, ἔτι δὲ καὶ τῆς Σιβύλλης, καθώς φησιν
ὁ μακάριος Κλήμης ἐν τῇ πρὸς Κορινθίους ἐπιστολῇ, γίνε-
ται δὲ αὕτη ἡ κρίσις διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ σταυρωθέντος
ὑπὸ τῶν Ἰουδαίων, τοῦ αἰωνίως βασιλεύοντος τῶν Χριστιανῶν
βασιλείαν ἀτελεύτητον, τὴν κατὰ τὸν προφήτην Δανιὴλ δο-
θεῖσαν αὐτῷ, διὰ τοῦτο οὐδεμίαν ἀνακλήσεως ἔχει ὁ ἑλληνισμὸς
τὴν ἐλπίδα.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 443, section D, line 5

Καὶ καθάπερ, ὅταν εἴπῃ ἡ θεία γραφή· Ὁ ἐγείρας τὸν κύ-
ριον ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν ζωοποιήσει τὰς ψυ-
χὰς καὶ τὰ σώματα ἡμῶν, οὔτε ἀτελῆ λέγει τὴν ἀνάστασιν οὔτε
φαντασίας δίδωσιν ὑπόνοιαν, ἀλλὰ τελείαν ἀναστάσεως τὴν
πίστιν, οὕτως καί, ὅταν λέγῃ· Ἠγέρθη πολλὰ σώματα τῶν
κεκοιμημένων ἁγίων ἐκ νεκρῶν, τὴν τελείαν λέγει ἀνάστασιν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 445, section B, line 3

Οὐδὲν οὖν ἦν
θαυμαστόν, εἰ καὶ ὁ Ἡρώδης μετὰ τὴν ἀναίρεσιν τοῦ Ἰωάννου
ἀκούει τὰ ἔργα τῶν μαθητῶν τοῦ Ἰησοῦ, τὰ ἐπ' ὀνόματι τοῦ
Ἰησοῦ γεγονότα· τότε γὰρ ἤκουσεν ὁ Ἡρώδης τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Ἰη-
σοῦ, ὅτε ἀπέστειλεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς τοὺς μαθητὰς αὑτοῦ εἰς τὰς
κώμας καὶ πόλεις κηρύττειν τὴν μετάνοιαν καὶ θεραπεύειν τὰς
νόσους, καθά φησι Μάρκος ὁ εὐαγγελιστής.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 445, section B, line 9

Καὶ γὰρ αὐτὸς
ὁ Ἰωάννης πρὸ τῆς ἐγέρσεως τοῦ υἱοῦ τῆς χήρας οὐκ ἦν ἀκού-
σας πάντα ὅσα ἐποίησεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἐν τῇ Γαλιλαίᾳ τε καὶ τῇ
Ἱερουσαλήμ, καίτοι πολλῶν ὄντων τῶν ἤδη γεγενημένων ὑπὸ
τοῦ σωτῆρος θαυμάτων, καὶ πρὸ τοῦ βληθῆναι τὸν Ἰωάννην
εἰς φυλακὴν καὶ μετὰ τὸ βληθῆναι αὐτὸν εἰς φυλακήν· τότε
γὰρ ἀπέστειλε τοὺς μαθητὰς αὑτοῦ ὁ Ἰωάννης πρὸς τὸν Ἰη-
σοῦν μαθεῖν, εἰ αὐτὸς εἶ ὁ προσδοκώμενος ἐλθεῖν.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones et responsiones ad orthodoxos
Morel page 474, section A, line 1

Ἀνεχώρησε, φησίν, ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὴν Γαλιλαίαν· οὐ γὰρ ἤθε-
λεν ἐν τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ περιπατεῖν, ὅτι οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι ἐζήτουν αὐτὸν
ἀποκτεῖναι.
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Pseudo-Justinus Martyr, Quaestiones gentilium ad Christianos
Morel page 204, section C, line 8

Οὐ γὰρ
ἂν ἦν τὰ ὄντα, μὴ τοῦ θεοῦ προϋπάρχοντος αὐτῶν, τοῦ πάντα
τὰ μέρη τῆς κτίσεως χρειωδῶς πρὸς λυσιτέλειαν τῆς ὅλης κτί-
σεως ὑποστησαμένου, τοῦ ἡμῖν γνωσθέντος διὰ προῤῥήσεως
καὶ διδασκαλίας προφητῶν τε καὶ τοῦ κυρίου καὶ σωτῆρος
ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ τῶν αὐτοῦ ἀποστόλων λόγοις θείαις
δυνάμεσι μεμαρτυρημένοις.
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But other writings attributed to Justin -- in fact one's that you quote from -- do mention Christians.

Jeffrey

aa5874

I have specifically identified writings attributed to supposed 2nd century writings that do not mention the words Christians, or Christ.

Andrew's argument is hopelessly flawed. Writings without the words Christian and Christ are NOT indications that they were composed in the 1st century.

Andrew's flawed position would mean that writings attributed to Justin and Tatian were composed in the 1st century.


1. Tatian's Address to the Greeks" --- No mention of the words Christians and Christ.

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...n-address.html

2. Justin's Discourse to the Greeks---No mention of the words Christ and Christians.

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...discourse.html

3. Justin's On the Resurrection--No mention of the word Christians.

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...urrection.html

4. Justin's On the Sole Government of God---No mention of the words Christians or Christ.

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...rtyr-sole.html

5. Justin's Hortatory Address to the Greeks---No mention of the word Christians.

See http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...hortatory.html

mountainman

You are very predictable Stephan.







εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

Duvduv

Let's address the questions whether "Christian" texts that do not mention Christians or Jesus were even originally written by Christians at all, as opposed to being adopted and sometimes adapted for the purposes of the new religion.

aa5874

Please address the OP.

I cannot address questions that are not relevant to this thread.

The OP deals specifically with the letters of Paul who was supposedly a Christian after he was blinded by a bright light and heard a voice in his head.


As I said before based on Acts all the Pauline letters are forgeries or falsely attributed to Saul/Paul if it is claimed Saul/Paul wrote letters to Churches before c 62 CE.

Onias

That would be true if you accept the Paulines at face value. I do not. I think the Pauline author wanted his readers to believe the epistles were written in the first century when they actually were not.