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This, IMO, is the real answer. The whole empty tomb/physical resurrection story is the result of later theologizing, not historical information preserved by oral tradition. The earliest gospel, Mark, was written (probably) 30 years after the events - and it doesn't even mention any resurrection appearances. (The last section of canonical Mark, 16:9-20, is absent from some of the earliest manuscripts.) Sure, Mark has the empty tomb story. But Q doesn't, and GThomas doesn't - these early Christians apparently weren't interested in the resurrection in a physical sense. So why should non-Christians have been? |
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08-14-2008, 08:40 PM | #42 |
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I recently read Acts 2 at biblegateway.com, which mosts skeptics cite to argue that the disciples didn't preach the ressurection till seven weeks after the crucifixtion, but I can't find any mention of this time frame in that passage. Does anyone else here see it? What am I missing?
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08-15-2008, 12:31 AM | #44 | |
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At times the Gospels seem to go out of their way to emphasize that the post-crucified Jesus was in the flesh as oppose to being a purely spiritual being, as if it had already become an issue with some Christians (e.g. Otherwise why was it important to mention that the post-crucifixion Jesus could eat food?) If at the time the Gospel of Mark was written some Christians remembered a time when no mention was made of the empty tomb it would make sense for the writer of Mark to tackle this issue. In this light perhaps the early ending of Mark (at 16:8) makes more sense. i.e. It's telling the reader that the reason you didn't hear about the empty tomb sooner is because the witnesses to this told no one about it for some time (because they were frightened by it). |
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So for 40 days after the resurrection, Jesus was with the apostles telling them what he didn't make clear before his death. Then in Acts 2, at the Pentecost, which is 50 days after Easter, they began preaching. |
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Perhaps 1000 years from now, Elvis will become a diety in the religion Elvism. Elvangelical Elvists will refer back to the "sightings" of Elvis we hear about now and claim it was evidence that Elvis was resurrected. But no one now is scrambling about now to dig up his bones for DNA testing to be sure he's still dead because no one takes it seriously. Will Elivists of the year 3000 look back and ask why, if Elvis had not been resurrected, opponents of Elvism did not produce the corpse and parade it around the US?
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Constantine organised mass christian make-overs of pagan shrines and temples in the most lavish building project in antiquity ever conducted. Every city had its basilica, all replicated from the same mould at at specific epoch in our ancient history. best wishes. Pete Brown |
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