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schilling.klaus · 01-28-2008, 11:40 PM

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in the 2nd century the Roman historian Tacticus (Annals, 15.44) reference both the emperor Nero, Pontius Pilate, Tiberius and a certain person he calls Christus

that's a late charlatanic forgery, possibly from renaissance time

Klaus Schilling

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 05:39 AM

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in the 2nd century the Roman historian Tacticus (Annals, 15.44) reference both the emperor Nero, Pontius Pilate, Tiberius and a certain person he calls Christus

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But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.

Was Christus crucified? Was Jesus called Christus before he was crucified? Where was Christus killed and in which year? And how old was Christus when he died?

You need to answer those question to make sure that Tacitus and you are refering to the same person.

Was Pontius Pilate ever an actual human being?

aa5874 · 01-29-2008, 05:46 AM

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Was Christus crucified? Was Jesus called Christus before he was crucified? Where was Christus killed and in which year? And how old was Christus when he died?

You need to answer those question to make sure that Tacitus and you are refering to the same person.

Was Pontius Pilate ever an actual human being?

And you need to answer your own question before you even think of answering mine. You are not sure Pilate existed, yet you seem sure Jesus did.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 05:51 AM

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in the 2nd century the Roman historian Tacticus (Annals, 15.44) reference both the emperor Nero, Pontius Pilate, Tiberius and a certain person he calls Christus

that's a late charlatanic forgery, possibly from renaissance time

Klaus Schilling

The Renaissance forger must have had accurate sources to claim that Nero and Tiberius were historical persons. Do you think Nero and Tiberius were ever actual human beings?

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 09:15 AM

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Was Pontius Pilate ever an actual human being?

And you need to answer your own question before you even think of answering mine. You are not sure Pilate existed, .

Pilate did exist.

http://ecclesia.org/truth/archaeology.html

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 09:49 AM

I suppose no one has proof that Pilate didn't exist?

makerowner · 01-29-2008, 10:00 AM

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I suppose no one has proof that Pilate didn't exist?

You can't prove that someone didn't exist. All you can say is that there isn't enough evidence to prove that they did exist. I haven't looked into the evidence of Pilate's existence because it's irrelevant. Just because the gospels mention real people doesn't mean that they're true, just as there are many works of historical fiction today that mention real people and may in fact get many details of their lives right. But they're still fiction.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:02 AM

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I suppose no one has proof that Pilate didn't exist?

You can't prove that someone didn't exist. All you can say is that there isn't enough evidence to prove that they did exist. .

There is archaelogical evidence to prove Pilate existed.

makerowner · 01-29-2008, 10:08 AM

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You can't prove that someone didn't exist. All you can say is that there isn't enough evidence to prove that they did exist. .

There is archaelogical evidence to prove Pilate existed.

Would you read my damn post! I never said Pilate didn't exist. I have no reason to believe he didn't. What I said was the Pilate's existence is irrelevant to Jesus'.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:10 AM

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There is archaelogical evidence to prove Pilate existed.

Would you read my damn post! I never said Pilate didn't exist. I have no reason to believe he didn't. What I said was the Pilate's existence is irrelevant to Jesus'.

So the whole story about Pilate judging Yeshua is irrelevant?

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