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02-20-2009, 03:54 PM | #21 |
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Its probably worth noting that the Jews expected the Messiah to be divine.
While Paul certainly considered Jesus special, it is unclear that he considered him equal to the father. It seems possible that Paul was the original adoptionist. In any case, the Galatians passage doesn't obviously promote Jesus' God-hood. |
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DON'T BELIEVE EVERTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Saul of Tarsus [Paul] never met Jesus. Paul was expelled from the Jews - including the original followers of two Jewish groups which had a form of reverence for Jesus [The Nazerites & Ebonites]. Christianity grew in Europe - where the Gospels was followed by previous belief systems, via different names and symbols. Europe followed the Gospels alledged writings of St. Paul without any proof, and without checking if what he said had any veracity - which is obligatory, relative to the claims made by the Gospels. Europe also followed via enforced decrees with a death sentence hovering of those who rejected the Gospels.
It remains an anomoly what is subscribed to Jesus - no Hebrew scrolls authored by Jesus, no writings whatsoever by Jesus or anyone in his contemporary times. Absolute disputation by all in the region, including two religions [Judaism; Islam]. All humans have an inherent belief in a Creator source - and this is also the easiest factor to exploit. Add persecution, ex-communication, the rake and spiritual blackmail of being saved by signing on the dotted line - and what do you get? A hijacked multitude. One who never demanded proof of an OPEN AND DIRECT Revelation before millions - as did the Hebrews with Moses - and who are said to have gotten that proof. At least, the Hebrews can be said to have strived for proof theoretically - despite what one believes of its actual occurence in historical and imperitve terms. Its in the Hebrew texts - but missing from the Gospel texts which was accepted via belief only! TRUST, TRUST! BUT ALSO - CHECK, CHECK! |
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The precedence is seen with Moses - also a Messiah for his time and who at all times never claimed divinity; and in the writings of Isaiah. The Messiah issue cannot ever impact on the first two commands from Sinai - namely the absolute ONEness of the Creator. Even spiritual beings [angels, mysterious forces, agents, saviors, etc] cannot be said to be divine - these are all created entities. That a Messah has not appeared is perhaps the most manifest factor for humanity today. It does not mean those who hold this beleif, or the reverse of it - are bad people or that they have or have not any genuine beliefs. Beware any who say so. 'THERE IS WISDOM AND RIGHTIOUSNESS IN ALL NATIONS' |
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02-20-2009, 07:56 PM | #25 |
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I think Netanyahu may be the messiah.
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