Jedi Mind Trick

Hello Fellow Infidels...

I post regularly on a liberal Christian forum that I enjoy very much. The regulars are made up of heretics, secular humanists, radicals, apostates, universalists, a few agnostics, several liberal Christians, a few fence setters and many lurkers, plus a few obnoxious fundies. The regulars know that I am agnostic and are very accepting of me. The fundysphere must get a code red alert when people are not as “full of truth� as they are because this forum is treated to the regular parade of fundies who drop by to condemn everyone to hell...

Anyway there is one particular fundie who has been haunting the forum he is known here at IIDB under a another handle though he hasn’t been here for some time. He says he loves debate... I’ve invited him back to IIDB but he hasn’t accepted. The regulars are put-off by him and think he is an arrogant arse. Anyway, my problem is not with them, so I would ask courtesy to the regulars, but this fundy needs to be given a good debate... I am not up to the task because...
1) I don’t have the time.
2) I have lost my patience for debate with him.
3) I am a little out of my league.

He has started a thread about the “reliability of the biblical record� and I have engaged him on it as best as I can, but I truthfully am still learning about many of the issues involved. I doubt the bible’s reliability but I cannot get in too deep because I am still learning; consequently, I will not give the bible the benefit of the doubt any longer, hence my agnosis. If anyone is interested in engaging in a debate with him go here:
http://www.xnforums.com/cgi-bin/ulti...7;t=001666;p=1

Jedi Mind Trick

Is GRD the place to post this?

jdlongmire

...should probably go to Biblical Criticism, anyway...


...BTW, thanks for the link, good reading!

JD

Jedi Mind Trick

I forgot to mention that I have already cleared it with the Moderators there and they welcome any Infidel gladly. Post what ever you want, you will not be edited. I can guarantee that.
They are very open minded and tolerant.

Like I said, a good place.

Cynthia of Syracuse

Moving to BC&H.

Jedi Mind Trick

I see jdlongmire has regestired over there, anyone else?

Diogenes the Cynic

I'm registered and waiting for confirmation.

Jedi Mind Trick

Hey, thanks all for joining the discussion over there.
:notworthy
He will probably take a while to respond back to you, but respond he will.

Badfish

So you admit you are uneducated on some issues, so it seems you want to spite him because of personal reasons rather than opening your mind and listening to possible wisdom. If you are still learning about some of these "issues" than you clearly do not have the evidence or knowledge to debate this person and want to be bailed out by your fellow infidels.

I mean whats worse? A Christian who believes based on faith, or an atheist that doesn't believe, but isnt sure why? If you dont have the intellectual resources yet, how can you be honest with yourself about the possibility of God? Let alone defend atheism? If you feel so strongly, take him on, ah but then you might lose the debate. Bummer.

Badfish

And not all fundies condemn anyone to hell, its not my place or anyone elses place to judge, fundies or Christians that make such condemnations are wrong and are missing the message of Gods word, the bible clearly states that basically we all fall short and are in no position to judge lest we be judged ourselves.

I am a moderate conservative Christian (people around here and elsewhere might refer to me as a fundie) but I would side with you on the one issue of judgement, I mean its just silly as a Christian to think you are any better than anyone else, and can sit on the judgement seat, yes we are called to spread the word, but not to condemn.

Many atheists mistake judgement for spreading the word, a Christian who points out that the bible says (insert condemnation or sin here) will cause you go to hell isnt necessarily condemning, but rather teaching that the bible is clear on what criteria will cause you to be cast into hell.

Then there are some that will outright judge, that alone is diametric to Christs teachings on salvation, I dont know why they think they can judge, but certainly there are some that believe themselves to be elitists of some sort and can judge on Gods behalf, if there is a God and Satan, it seems that anyone so hellbent on judging people outright would be most likely acting on behalf of Satan.