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Old 02-21-2012, 10:24 AM   #81
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I have read that it appears that the author of GJohn did not have access to GMatt and GLuke but only to GMark.

If that is so, then why are there so many stories in GMark that do not appear in GJohn, including the Last Supper? Did he have his own "traditions" that he consider to prevail over anything he saw in GMark, or accepted only those things in GMark confirmed by his own other tradition?

The primary common events in GMark and GJohn are:
The Baptist
The Centurion healing
Nazareth
The Blind Man
Who is Jesus
THe Entry to Jerusalem
The Moneychangers
The Temple thrown down
The Betrayal, Crucifixion, Empty Tomb and appearance before the 11 disciples.
I haven't done any in-depth study of the relationship between John and the synoptics, but the prevailing scholarly opinion as I understand it is that John did not use Mark as a basis for his narrative the way Matthew and Luke did. This doesn't mean, though, he had no access to any of them. I don't know any reason to suppose he couldn't have had his own copy of Mark but just more or less ignored it. Obviously, he had to have gotten the basic outline of the story from somewhere, and if his was the last to be written, then that outline would have been common knowledge in whatever Christian community John belonged to. For a long time, though, I've been intrigued by the possibility that John's gospel might have been the first one written. I'm a long way from making up my mind about it, but I've yet to see a killer argument against it.
Some scholars look at it as parts of it may have been written early on before redaction.

your not way off base really.

we know it was written-redacted in 3 sections over a long period of time.

how long is not known, and it does reflect later piece's then early
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Which would only add to the views that the epistles were written by more than one author, which could suggest that Acts was written by more than one, and each of the gospels was as well. In which case it's impossible to know what existed as the core original text in the beginning which then became embellished as time went on. And of course if one speaks of work over time, the question would be how much time until the final product appeared, and when was that?
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Which would only add to the views that the epistles were written by more than one author, which could suggest that Acts was written by more than one, and each of the gospels was as well. In which case it's impossible to know what existed as the core original text in the beginning which then became embellished as time went on. And of course if one speaks of work over time, the question would be how much time until the final product appeared, and when was that?
except we cannot group tthem all together


its a known fact not all the epistles or original, and some originals redacted

Add to the fact we dont know the second or third hand information the author of Gluke used. As far as Im aware, Gluke was one author with acts.

there will always be a possibility for redaction as its the norm, more so then not
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If GLuke and Acts were written by the same person, one can only wonder why nothing of a single storyline or aphorism from the gospel is ever mentioned in Acts by the good preacher in his preaching anywhere.

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Which would only add to the views that the epistles were written by more than one author, which could suggest that Acts was written by more than one, and each of the gospels was as well. In which case it's impossible to know what existed as the core original text in the beginning which then became embellished as time went on. And of course if one speaks of work over time, the question would be how much time until the final product appeared, and when was that?
except we cannot group tthem all together


its a known fact not all the epistles or original, and some originals redacted

Add to the fact we dont know the second or third hand information the author of Gluke used. As far as Im aware, Gluke was one author with acts.

there will always be a possibility for redaction as its the norm, more so then not
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