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outhouse · 06-25-2012, 10:35 AM

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The point isn't whether they are made up. It's to try and figure out why they became successful.

free health care
one powerful deity
not getting your winky clipped
sins washed away before the ending of the world
afterlife

stephan huller · 06-25-2012, 10:36 AM

Thanks. Just what I thought the first time around

sotto voce · 06-25-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Thanks. Just what I thought the first time around

Oh, the sarcasm.

Cege · 06-25-2012, 11:07 AM

Anyone actually interested roof construction in NT times might gain some insight from Nazareth Village.

If this construction is authentic to the period, it certainly doesn't make it any easier to believe the story of making an opening and letting down a man on a litter into the house.

stephan huller · 06-25-2012, 11:23 AM

my statement wasnt intended as sarcasm

sotto voce · 06-25-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

my statement wasnt intended as sarcasm

In that case, the inducements of free health care were entirely imaginary, there was no necessary advantage to one deity, and no evidence of a powerful one unless it was demonstrated. And most adherents saw no advantage in 'not getting your winky clipped', because they were Gentiles.

Thus far, it's mere frippery. Of course, for anyone who didn't care about the sins they had committed, a free pardon was a frippery, too. But in those days, people took sins, and an afterlife, far more seriously than Western people will admit to now, and indeed they were taken more seriously in the West less than a century ago. So the role of a free pardon is not by any historical scholar belittled.

mountainman · 06-26-2012, 03:41 AM

I dont see a roof. Or is the Dura-Europos-Yale mural of another paralytic? According to this report

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Mural of the Healing of the Paralytic
from the house church in Dura Europos.
Dated to about 235 AD, this is the oldest
depiction of Jesus that has been discovered.

mountainman · 06-26-2012, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

romans were flocking to judaism and worshipping in synagogues but were not converting,

How do you know this?
What's your source?

Were they just on holidays?

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these are the unknown authors of the NT.

If they are unknown, how do you know them?

What source are you using?

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they created mythology based on a jewish man they knew nothing about and this is evident.

I agree with this part.

Horatio Parker · 06-26-2012, 08:00 AM

Here's Robert Price's view:

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9. Healing the Paralytic (2:1-12)

As Roth (p. 56) shows, this story of a paralyzed man’s friends tearing the thatch off a roof and lowering him to Jesus amid the crowd seems to be based on an Elijah story in 2 Kings 1:2-17a, where King Ahaziah gains his affliction by falling from his roof through the lattice and languishes in bed. Mark’s sufferer is already afflicted when he descends through the roof on his bed (pallet). He rises from his bed because whatever sin of his had earned him the divine judgment of paralysis was now pronounced forgiven on account of his friends’ faith, though nothing is said of his own. King Ahaziah is pointedly not healed of his affliction because of his own pronounced lack of faith in the God of Israel: he had sent to the priests of the Philistine oracle god Baal-zebub to inquire as to his prospects. Elijah tells him he is doomed because of unbelief, a dismal situation reversed by Mark, who has Jesus grant forgiveness and salvation because of faith. Mark has preserved the Baal-zebub element for use in a later story (3:22).

aa5874 · 06-26-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

... they created mythology based on a jewish man they knew nothing about and this is evident.

How do you know that when they wrote nothing??? Please, tell us about "the jewish man they knew nothing about"???

O great inventor, if you say they wrote nothing about the jewish man then WHERE did you get your TAX man from???

The story of the house with the removed roof symbolises Fiction just like Tax Jesus symbolises Mythology.

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06-25-2012, 10:36 AM	#62
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Thanks. Just what I thought the first time around

06-25-2012, 11:07 AM	#64
Cege Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 36078 Posts: 849	Anyone actually interested roof construction in NT times might gain some insight from Nazareth Village. If this construction is authentic to the period, it certainly doesn't make it any easier to believe the story of making an opening and letting down a man on a litter into the house.

06-25-2012, 11:23 AM	#65
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	my statement wasnt intended as sarcasm

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