aa5874

Did the people who appeared in the vision have IDENTIFICATION cards??

How would people recognise the Virgin Mary if they had NO ID to examine??

How OLD was Mary WHEN she appeared in the vision???

1600 years old--12 years old--20 years old???

sotto voce

True, but the question is about Christians.

Sheshbazzar

sotto is playing the old -No "TRUE Christian™ "- shtick again.

Hundreds of millions of Christians can be demonstrated to be engaged in doing something, and there will always be someone to play the old -No "true Christian™ "- card.
In that little world there is only one "true Christian™ ", being only the claimant.


Millons of non-Catholic Christians have also visited Fatima, and the many other Christian holy sites.
Visting Fatima, Jerusalem, or the Jordan River does not magically poof! Christ believers into being non-Christians.




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sotto voce

Ah. Demonstrate.

Huon

Everybody has seen an image of the Virgin Mary, and also of JC, and of the Old Bearded.
aa, you should go to the Vatican.

aa5874

How long must the human race be ridiculed and demonized by the Church for not accepting THEIR Myth Fables??

This is UNACCEPTABLE in the 21st century.

The human race has been threatened with Hell Fire and destruction by God by people who BELIEVE Myth Fables and these Myth Fable Believers seem to have NO tolerance for people who oppose their Fables.

We have the DATED Texts of antiquity from the 1st century and NONE, ZERO are from NT manuscripts or Apologetic sources.

There is a BIG BLACK HOLE for the Jesus stories or Pauline letters in the 1st century.

All we have from the Church are FAKE authorship of EVERY book of the Canon and FAKE authors of many Apologetic sources.

We can see the pattern of fraud and forgeries.

We understand what has done.

1st century characters like Paul were FABRICATED to give the False impression that the Jesus cult of Christians were already known at that time.

History cannot be re-written.

History is CAST in Stone.

The Pauline writers are NOT from the 1st century.

We have THOUSANDS of Texts from antiquity and No Pauline letter or Jesus story has been DATED by Paleography or C 14 to any time in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

How long must the human race suffer???

angelo

Catholics aren't christians?

sotto voce

Anyone who goes to Mass de facto declares himself not a Christian.

Anyone who knowingly allows that the RCC, with its infamous history, can have association with 'do as you would be done by', cannot be Christian.

On either theological grounds, or on practical grounds, the consideration of the RCC as Christian is totally absurd.

Would Christians venerate times and places?

tanya

Are Mormons christians?

Each sect considers itself Christian, and the rest lapsed, fallen, heathen, or worse.

My recollection is something like this: Catholics = christians. Protestants and Orthodox sects = good people, but not genuine Christians. Jews, almost good; blacks of any type, not human, Asians of any type, not human. Buddhists and other religious types = PAGANS. That's how I was raised.

Of course sotto voce is correct:
On the other hand, then, since soto voce's notion is derived from the New Testament, one should also consider valid, the Islamic notion of Sharia, derived from the Muslim "holy scriptures". By their logic, harming young girls, throwing acid on their face, to blind them, so they cannot study, performing a clitorectomy, so that they cannot enjoy sexual intimacy (and simply serve as a mindless uterus to breed more boys) represents necessary activity for devout muslim males.

I visited a Catholic university recently. Wow. What an eye opener.

It is very tough to have an intelligent conversation with even the best educated sectarian, whether he/she be Catholic, Mormon, Protestant, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or Zoroastrian. They all think they know the truth. They are not arguing based on a belief in some sort of casual understanding of events. They all believe, sincerely, that they, and they alone, have gained absolute truth and knowledge.

I know that, not from having watched them, or having listened to them. I know that, because I too, have absolute knowledge.

angelo

Michael Shermer's book "Why We Believe "may be in order of reading material here.