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Old 09-14-2010, 12:01 PM   #21
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But if the superhero-like god-man who was a one shot Avatar of the Creator of the Universe, then I suppose I would have to become a Christian
What do you mean one-shot? Krishna doesn't play second fiddle to Jesus!
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But if the superhero-like god-man who was a one shot Avatar of the Creator of the Universe, then I suppose I would have to become a Christian
What do you mean one-shot? Krishna doesn't play second fiddle to Jesus!
Pah, my Jesus would flatten your Krishna!

(Hehe, it would make a great comic - Armageddon of the Avatars )

But there's a reason why deities of the past like Hercules or Thor fit so well into the superhero mythos - they are pretty much exactly the same as modern-day superheros, a wishfullfillment fantasy of power (and nowadays, perhaps more of a prophecy of our future) - the ability to overcome the limitations that burden us due to natural laws.
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Well of course it would depend on what one meant by "Jesus":-

If some obscure preacher who got glorified by mythical overlays, then it's a ho-hum thing, makes no difference to my life at all, there are tons of preachers and philosophers and wise men in history, some of what they say is valid, some rubbish.

But if the superhero-like god-man who was a one shot Avatar of the Creator of the Universe, then I suppose I would have to become a Christian
I thought I made the point in post #4 that some unobtainium based evidence
comes to light that is in line with the gospels in terms of what he said and
some remarkable actions.

One big question that would still remain open would be exactly who and what
this person was - your interpretation of which is presumably a big factor in
how important this is to your world view.
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Well of course it would depend on what one meant by "Jesus":-

If some obscure preacher who got glorified by mythical overlays, then it's a ho-hum thing, makes no difference to my life at all, there are tons of preachers and philosophers and wise men in history, some of what they say is valid, some rubbish.

But if the superhero-like god-man who was a one shot Avatar of the Creator of the Universe, then I suppose I would have to become a Christian
I thought I made the point in post #4 that some unobtainium based evidence
comes to light that is in line with the gospels in terms of what he said and
some remarkable actions.

One big question that would still remain open would be exactly who and what
this person was - your interpretation of which is presumably a big factor in
how important this is to your world view.
Yeah but there isn't much room for "interpretation" in the gospels picture - he's literally (somehow) a god-man, part god, part man (although the NT as a whole oscillates between these two aspects, from the more human Mark version to the full-blown god-man of John).

And he's not just doing "remarkable" actions, he's doing miracles (things that couldn't be explained via common sense or science).

I don't see any way out of it: if the evidence was Hume-satisfying cast-unobtanium, then it would be the most amazing, remarkable thing ever, here was proof of the Divine living in flesh, a miracle-working, superhero-like god-man entity finally proven to exist, and you'd have to be a Christian, there would be no wiggle room whatsoever.

And this is quite a reasonable position - it's just that most peoples' standards of evidence weren't terribly high at the time those books were written, and they were presented as just such a kind of cast-unobtanium evidence.

That's what many reasonable people thought the gospels were, for centuries and centuries. That's why they were Christians, because they thought they had that solid evidence.
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No, cause he would be the son of evil Yahweh
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I will start by saying I don't know if there is a scenario in which it could be said to be "proved" that an historical Jesus existed, but for the purposes of this thought experiment, assume that some quite good proof that a figure substantially in line with the gospels came to light.

The proof does not provide proof that he is the "son of god", simply that he
lived and did some remarkable things.

How would this impact your thinking? What would you do?
I'd have to cease trying to find ways to make people stop assuming he did exist without any evidence.


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I will start by saying I don't know if there is a scenario in which it could be said to be "proved" that an historical Jesus existed, but for the purposes of this thought experiment, assume that some quite good proof that a figure substantially in line with the gospels came to light.

The proof does not provide proof that he is the "son of god", simply that he
lived and did some remarkable things.

How would this impact your thinking? What would you do?
Me? Nothing. I would still be a Mythicists and the evidence would have to be substantial. The only thing I think that would convince most people is the so called miracle working if this Jesus was able to perform those then things may change I guess. Hell, Thomas Jefferson re-wrote the NT because he did not believe in the miracles. But in answer to the Op no it would not change my thinking one bit.
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