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Half-Life · 03-11-2008, 03:04 PM

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So, I'm sure there were some Jews who didn't accept Jesus as they were burning alive in the oven. now, God does a punishment worse than hitler by throwing them in the furnace forever?

What a loving God. How can you worship such a beast?

Now if I remember correctly did you not once before defend God? Let me squash this quick God sends no rightous person to Hell. Who was righteous and who was evil in the holocaust? You dont know.

So, you're pretty much saying that everyone in the Holocaust was righteous and went to Heaven?

Not ONE person in the whole holocaust died while disbelieving Jesus?

Call me crazy, but if you get thrown in an oven, I doubt the first thing that comes to your mind is, "OMG! I better believe in Jesus!"

Face it, you can't get around this one.

if god throws Jews in Hell, he is WORSE of a tyrant than hitler.

sugarhitman · 03-11-2008, 03:06 PM

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Sugarhitman, this is what you are esstianlly saying Jesus does:

"Little child, praise God you are here with Me in heaven!
There are your mother and your brother burning in hell -- forever.
Your mother sinned too much, and your brother left the faith.
No, I can never forgive them and release them from their agony."

http://www.christian-universalism.com/index2.html

"My mother and My brother are those who do the will of My Father who is in Heaven."----Jesus

Nero's Boot · 03-11-2008, 03:06 PM

"No man comes to the Father except through the Son." No exceptions. Convert or burn. Infants cannot convert. Ergo, babies, toddlers and aborted fetuses go straight to Hell.

Sorry.

--

NB

Mageth · 03-11-2008, 03:07 PM

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No child goes to hell

Where did you get that from?

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Many people who do things like give charity and get involve in civil movements do so for human praise.

I quote from you: "Do you know the heart of man?...you have put yourself in the position of Judge as if you knew what went on..."

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You can try and do all the good works you want....how you view God will determine your destiny....

OK, right there is the real crux of the issue...your God judges us on what we believe rather than what we do, what we're like. That is, quite bluntly, wrong.

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it also reveals a person true character no rightous person will ever call the biblical Jesus evil...unless they hate what is right...

I quote from you again: By your own words, you don't have the right to judge a person's true character in the way you do here.

Your portrayal of "Jesus"...which may or may not be consistent with the "biblical Jesus", hard to say...when examined, as indicated on this thread, reveals aspects of said character that make said character quite "wrong" in the eyes of persons with, let's say, an unclouded moral vision.

It's not that I, for example "hate what's right", it's that I think, according to my moral understanding, that what you are asserting is "right" is not right, but wrong. In any case, there's no "hate" involved on my part, so you got that part wrong as well.

So I don't "hate what's right", I disapprove of something I consider wrong.

Furthermore, I don't call Jesus evil; however, I do tag what you describe as your beliefs about Jesus as exhibiting what I consider wrong, or "evil" if you will, morally speaking.

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..every person ive encountered in person who said that Jesus is evil....were those who took pleasure in sin....every single one of them.....

"Do you know the heart of man?...you have put yourself in the position of Judge as if you knew what went on..."

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Jesus was not kidding when He said that those who hate Him hate Him because "The world hates Me because I testify to it that its' works are evil."

He also hammered really hard on the scribes and pharisees who touted their religious purity and superiority in public, but were like dead bones inside. Maybe you should read that part. I don't think he was kidding there either.

Half-Life · 03-11-2008, 03:09 PM

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Let me see...God is asserted to be the "Author of Wisdom". But he's also the "Author" of this "sin ridden world" that you describe! Where's the wisdom in that? For a God that's supposed to be the "Author of Wisdom", he really fucked up in this case.

Is it God's fault that man abuses his God given wisdom for evil? Is it God's fault when you made that decision to do that which you knew at the time was wrong? No matter how you go about this...the root cause is....you...Man.

and once again who created man?

Last I checked when i read Genesis, Adam didn't have a choice.

Then, God plants a serpent AND the "magic tree" in the garden.

Talk about entrapment. What a psycho.

sugarhitman · 03-11-2008, 03:11 PM

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Now if I remember correctly did you not once before defend God? Let me squash this quick God sends no rightous person to Hell. Who was righteous and who was evil in the holocaust? You dont know.

So, you're pretty much saying that everyone in the Holocaust was righteous and went to Heaven?

Not ONE person in the whole holocaust died while disbelieving Jesus?

Call me crazy, but if you get thrown in an oven, I doubt the first thing that comes to your mind is, "OMG! I better believe in Jesus!"

Face it, you can't get around this one.

if god throws Jews in Hell, he is WORSE of a tyrant than hitler.

If any MAN ends up in Hell.....it was because of his choice. And it does not matter if his life on earth was good or bad whether he suffered or not.....whatever a man suffers on earth does not make him right or wrong....you are trying to determine a person's character by how they suffered...which leads to false visualization.

Nero's Boot · 03-11-2008, 03:13 PM

Sugarhitman:

Political affiliation and nothing else gets you into Heavens. No disbeliever, no matter how much good he or she does, will ever be admitted to Paradise.

In other words, "Put the slave collar on and be a good piece of property." Your god doesn't want good people in Heaven; he wants compliant, mindlessly loyal slaves.

--fits perfectly with BibleGod's fragile ego requiring him to constantly be told how great he is NB

Mageth · 03-11-2008, 03:14 PM

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If any MAN ends up in Hell.....it was because of his choice. And it does not matter if his life on earth was good or bad whether he suffered or not.....whatever a man suffers on earth does not make him right or wrong....you are trying to determine a person's character by how they suffered...which leads to false visualization.

Yeah, Half-Life, get with the program! It doesn't matter how much you suffer, or how much suffering you alleviate, or how much suffering you cause. It doesn't matter how many good acts or bad acts you do in this life. All that matters is what you believe about God! Choose to believe or choose not to believe in sugarman's God...that's the way in or out.

Sheesh!

Nero's Boot · 03-11-2008, 03:16 PM

Yes. One mustn't be unmutual.

--we have always been at war with Oceania NB

Half-Life · 03-11-2008, 03:16 PM

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So, you're pretty much saying that everyone in the Holocaust was righteous and went to Heaven?

Not ONE person in the whole holocaust died while disbelieving Jesus?

Call me crazy, but if you get thrown in an oven, I doubt the first thing that comes to your mind is, "OMG! I better believe in Jesus!"

Face it, you can't get around this one.

if god throws Jews in Hell, he is WORSE of a tyrant than hitler.

If any MAN ends up in Hell.....it was because of his choice. And it does not matter if his life on earth was good or bad whether he suffered or not.....whatever a man suffers on earth does not make him right or wrong....you are trying to determine a person's character by how they suffered...which leads to false visualization.

Well, that settles it then. You worship a God that makes Hitler look like a newborn lamb.

hitler threw jews in the oven because they were jewish for a finite amount of time and we call him evil and sadistic.

God throws jews in the oven forever because they were jewish and you call him loving and not possibly evil.

How do you live with yourself?

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03-11-2008, 03:06 PM	#73
Nero's Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,234	"No man comes to the Father except through the Son." No exceptions. Convert or burn. Infants cannot convert. Ergo, babies, toddlers and aborted fetuses go straight to Hell. Sorry. -- NB

03-11-2008, 03:13 PM	#77
Nero's Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,234	Sugarhitman: Political affiliation and nothing else gets you into Heavens. No disbeliever, no matter how much good he or she does, will ever be admitted to Paradise. In other words, "Put the slave collar on and be a good piece of property." Your god doesn't want good people in Heaven; he wants compliant, mindlessly loyal slaves. --fits perfectly with BibleGod's fragile ego requiring him to constantly be told how great he is NB

03-11-2008, 03:16 PM	#79
Nero's Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,234	Yes. One mustn't be unmutual. --we have always been at war with Oceania NB

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