arnoldo

Only Antinous know for sure . .

Toto

Since Daniel was written after Alexander conquered the known world, then died and his empire broken in to four pieces, this is not especially remarkable.

Toto

Name them.

WHY is it not acceptable? Even the most accurate historical writers have made mistakes.

Where?

NOT TRUE. Septuagint online

Have you confused Alexander with Alexandria??

spin

As an aid for the more masochistic of participants in this thread, here is a translator's glossary to the language of IAmJoseph to facilitate comprehension of transmissions from planet IAmJoseph.
I don't really know why you all are wasting your breath on someone who doesn't have the ability to understand the scholarly issues he is trying to deal with.

Take his inability to understand the Tel Dan stela which talks about Beth-Dwd bytdwd, just as the bible talks of towns such as Beth-Shemesh and Beth-El. He uses bytdwd as though it has some relevance to the biblical figure David. This is why he has convinced himself that David has been proven historically. We know from this that he simply doesn't understand the necessities of history.

But don't let me stop you.


spin

arnoldo

And since Ezekiel 26:12 also was written after Alexander the Great threw Tyre into the sea it is also not remarkable - - just an accurate historical account, right? In reference to the Josephus account of Alexander the Great any thought towards the date the text in question was written?

Toto

arnoldo - please review the sticky at the top of this forum on "prophecy and other overworked topics". There is a link to a comprehensive thread on the dating of Daniel. Decide if there is anything more that needs to be said about it, and then get back to me.

arnoldo

Thanxs, I looked through the thread on "prophecy and other overworked topics" but didn't find the date that Josephus wrote concerning Alexander the Great allegedly reading the book of Daniel. Judging that Josephus lived from 37-100 A.D. it must have been written sometime in the first century.

Toto

I see -- I assumed you were asking about the date of Daniel. Josephus wrote in the last part of the first century. He had no personal knowledge of Alexander.

This section is pure imagination on Josephus' part.

Please check this old thread, which references another thread on precisely this part of Josephus: Some questions about daniel and Flavius Josephus, also this: Prophecy

IamJoseph

These are ancient Jewish writings, far more believable than European sources, and its surprising you don't know of it.

The fundamental factor is that Josephus is one of the most accurate historians, and your premise is based on its disregard and in
favor of the possibility of an isolated error common to all things. Your conclusion is thus far more meriting that error. iT is also not acceptable to dispute Josephus, who is regarded one of the most accurate historical writers.




Its a fact Judea was allowed autonomy and the right to freedom of belief when the Greeks under Alexander invaded this region - this was changed when the Roman Caligula made a Heresy decree, overturning Ceasar's decree that the Hebrew laws and belief preceded Rome's existence and thus was not a heresy. This is common knowledge, accounting for the great revolt in 70 CE.

Re link: "The earliest, and best known, source for the story of the Septuagint is the Letter of Aristeas, a lengthy document that recalls how Ptolemy (Philadelphus II [285–247 BCE]), desiring to augment his library in Alexandria, Egypt, commissioned a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek. Ptolemy wrote to the chief priest, Eleazar, in Jerusalem, and arranged for six translators from each of the twelve tribes of Israel."

Ptolemy came to power abruptly, on the sudden death of Alexander, and was following his request, making this an Alexander initiation - as stated by Jsephus and other writings. The fact that he contacted Jerusalem's high Preist confirms there was interaction here, this being a follow-up to Alexander's visit to Jerusalem. Judea remained autmonomous till later preists instigated rebellion, subsequent to the Septuagint translation. There is an obvious negation here of Jewish history by Europe - which is both a theological and cultural tradition, which seeks to negate the religion it stole from and villified.

That also is unrelated - there was a Jewish population in Egypt residual to the babylonian exile. The date 282 BCE inclines with this being Alexander's initiation, a figure who had the authority to make such large decisions, as opposed Ptolemy. There is no way a translation of so many preists could have occured without Alexander's visit, and the notion this was done by a simple request, being such a monumantal task, is not a valid one.

IamJoseph

Compared to whom? Josephus is telling it from a period closest to the events, and he had access to all greek and roman archives. There is not a single disputation in any archives of Josephus' position, till much later when a few Christian writers saw all history subject to its allignment with the NT - a document which is based on 'belief' - not history. The latter is why you cannot put up a contemporary writings which opposes Josephus.