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Notsri · 03-09-2010, 04:35 AM

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"Son of Man" is also a Hebraism meant to signify a regular human being, but as we all know it took on a totally different meaning in the NT. So who knows.

But it doesn't take on a totally different meaning. At its core it obviously still pertains in the gospels to Jesus' humanity, taking its cue in other words from conventional usage.

angelo · 03-09-2010, 10:49 PM

Slightly off topic. But this man I hold is the real founder of christianity.

http://atheism.about.com/library/boo...aulFounder.htm

aa5874 · 03-09-2010, 11:56 PM

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Third, as I've already mentioned, born of woman is a Hebraism, and its referent is always human. So it goes in the biblical book of Job, some of the Dead Sea Scrolls, rabbinic Midrashim both early and late, the Talmudim, certain of the Heikhalot texts, and even in some of the so-called contra Judaeus literature such as The Dialogue of Athanasius and Zacchaeus [the Jew]. But then not in Galatians?? I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

"Son of Man" is also a Hebraism meant to signify a regular human being, but as we all know it took on a totally different meaning in the NT. So who knows.

Jesus was also called the Son of God.

Jesus in the NT was a God/man.

Once the NT is used as evidence, then all the evidence must be taken into consideration.

Once the NT is used as a source then this very source explains in some details the conception of Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost.

There is no need to guess. We know how he was described.

angelo · 03-10-2010, 11:49 PM

I would hazard a guess and say that everyone here knows of this site?

www.jesusneverexisted.com

Elena · 03-12-2010, 05:42 PM

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Here are a few reasons why I believe Jesus is a complete myth.

There is no external historical confirmation for the N/T stories.

The N/T stories are internally contradictory.

There are natural explanations for the origin of the Jesus myth. [derived from the O/T]

The miracle reports make the tale unhistorical.

It is rather pathetic to see so many people thinking like christians. On this ground is it quite easy to disprove everything, but nothing will be explained. It looks like even mythicists think the figure said to have been crucified by Pontius Pilatus was at the origin of a new religion.

Elena · 03-12-2010, 05:49 PM

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Jesus was also called the Son of God.

Jesus in the NT was a God/man.

You know the meaning of son of god for a Jew, don't you?

Or are you still thinking like a christian...

And you are confusing the gospels and the rest of the nt... like any other christian.

angelo · 03-13-2010, 10:28 PM

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Here are a few reasons why I believe Jesus is a complete myth.

There is no external historical confirmation for the N/T stories.

The N/T stories are internally contradictory.

There are natural explanations for the origin of the Jesus myth. [derived from the O/T]

The miracle reports make the tale unhistorical.

It is rather pathetic to see so many people thinking like christians. On this ground is it quite easy to disprove everything, but nothing will be explained. It looks like even mythicists think the figure said to have been crucified by Pontius Pilatus was at the origin of a new religion.

Here is another interesting site. As you can see, it's not cut and dried. There is a sizable minority who do doubt a Jesus behind the gospels ever existed.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

tradewinds · 03-13-2010, 10:39 PM

The best Jesus would be a fictional Jesus, as no one would be able to contradict such fiction with evidence.

angelo · 03-14-2010, 11:38 PM

That's exactly the case, is it not? There is far too much contradiction for the story to be historical.

mountainman · 03-15-2010, 01:12 AM

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The best Jesus would be a fictional Jesus, as no one would be able to contradict such fiction with evidence.

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That's exactly the case, is it not? There is far too much contradiction for the story to be historical.

No its actually absolutely 100% impossible. Jesus could not possibly be a fictional character. It contradicts Eusebius, the greatest and earliest of all historians of the "early christian church". If Jesus were fictional then Eusebius would just be a lying scumbag just like Joe Wallack says. And whats worse, billions of christians would have lived and died not with Jesus in their heart of hearts, but the fraudulemt misrepresentations of Eusebius. Such a solution is far too heartless to contemplate --- even for 14.75 picoseconds. Forget it. Convert and forget it.

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03-09-2010, 10:49 PM	#172
angelo Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 5,706	Slightly off topic. But this man I hold is the real founder of christianity. http://atheism.about.com/library/boo...aulFounder.htm

03-10-2010, 11:49 PM	#174
angelo Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 5,706	I would hazard a guess and say that everyone here knows of this site? www.jesusneverexisted.com

03-13-2010, 10:39 PM	#178
tradewinds Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tucson Arizona Posts: 380	The best Jesus would be a fictional Jesus, as no one would be able to contradict such fiction with evidence.

03-14-2010, 11:38 PM	#179
angelo Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 5,706	That's exactly the case, is it not? There is far too much contradiction for the story to be historical.

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