Al Kafirun

I didn't know where else to post this. I e-mailed a couple of Rabbis about this and didn't get a response. Its a fairly new (to me anyway) contention from the radical missionaries.

According to them, greater proof that Jesus is God is that the sentence brought against him as 'Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews' can be rendered (apparently) in some dialect of Hebrew as 'Yeshua Hanozri Wemelech Hajehudim' ala YHWH/Yahweh. And this is proof that the abbreviation from the Old Testament had some great hidden significance.

I'm sure its BS (as if it could be anything else), but anybody got any info? I'm not deep enough into the techincal jargon.

Biff the unclean

Sounds good...all you have to do is forget that the Romans and the Hebrews didn't use the same alphabet and that YHWH is words (I am what I am) and not initials and it makes perfect sense

Al Kafirun

Well, I'm assuming that the... thingy was transliteration, but true. Still, what if anything, do those words mean? That was the heart of my question, really.

Toto

explained here - but it looks like one of those coincidences, or it could have been a hidden clue written into the scriptures.

I mean, I doubt that Jesus was crucified to start off with, or that the Romans hung a sign over him saying that he was king of the Jews. But the story tellers who wrote the gospels could have worded the sign to reflect the tetragrammaton, just as they could have hidden numerology in the names of the Bible.

You would get a better respons to this in BCH

edited to add = another link

Toto

There is a discussion board in Dutch here.

I cannot read Dutch, but one post appears to claim that the proper Hebrew for Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews, would be

YESHUA HANOTZRI HAMELECH HAYEHUDIM.

Al Kafirun

Hey, thanks.

For the record, I wasn't talkin' reality here. I was trying to see the contention through the eyes of missionary. Just this one detail, etc. Even if its true--which I've still not cleared up--at most its an interesting device. To be honest, I think it'd be cool and funny if it was true and deliberate. YHWH from the mountain to the grave. Serves him right.

I was arguing the flaws of Matthew once with a fundy and he kept talking about the mathmatical miracle, etc and I finally lost it and said something like, if a Bazooka Joe comic could be divided equally it still wouldn't negate the fact its a Bazooka Joe comic. So its not like the context of this claim is lost on me. I just wanted the language issue cleared up. I'm still waiting on them stinking rabbis. Maybe there's a secular Hebrew source I can ask.

Toto

There are some Hebrew speakers in the BCH forum, if you can get the mods here to move this, or contact Heathen Dawn who sometimes posts here.

spin

The ha- in the expressions hanotsri and hayehudim, is an indicator of the definite article, ie "the" in English, and as such held in little regard when it comes down to significance.

The wa- in wamelek indicates "and", which in the expression, "Jesus the Nazarene and king of the Jews" is particularly strange in that it should ask us to see two separate entities, Jesus the Nazarene as well as the king of the Jews.

What we are left with is the unlikely suggestion that the functional equivalent of Jesus The nazarene And king of The jews is a meaningful acrostic.


spin

Al Kafirun

Believe it or not, that's kinda what I figured. Without those prefixes the rest of the word was somewhat recognizable. That's good enough for me! I'm converting! Just kidding.

Thanks.

Toto

Here's another web page on the acrostic with the same claim: The Epitaph on the Cross of Yeshua - but it contains a notice that the research has been disproven!

Disproof