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We learn, in a word, that he was born superior to mankind in general, and so he is described from the first moment of his birth throughout his history. Anyhow on one occasion after he had loosed himself from his bonds, his historian adds the remark: "Then Damis declares he for the first time clearly understood the nature of Apollonius, that it was divine and superior to humanity. For without offering any sacrifice, -- for how could he offer one in the prison? -- and without offering any prayer, without a single word, he just laughed at his fetters." And at the end of the book we learn that his grave was nowhere to be found on earth; but that he went to heaven in his physical body accompanied by hymns and dances. Naturally if he was so great as he is described in the above, he may be said "to have wooed philosophy in a more divine manner than Pythagoras, or Empedocles, or Plato." For these reasons we must surely class the man among the gods.Again: After this Philostratus sets forth four counts of the indictment which he imagines it will be easy for his hero to defend himself from, and he admits that he has collected these out of a great many others. Of these the first was: What induced him to wear a different robe from everybody else? and the second: Why was it that men esteemed him to be a god? the third, How had he managed to predict the plague to the Ephesians? and last of all: In whose behoof had he gone to a certain field and cut up the Arcadian boy?Ben. |
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Ben, do you really believe that these are good evidence that Apollonius was considered to be one of the Roman Gods? Do you think this really is evidence of a cult that believed that Apollonius was a God and worshiped him? This is written hundreds of years after the time of Apollonius. How is this better evidence then the writings of Kersey Graves? If I want to prove that Isis was a virgin then I need a primary source, but if you want to prove that Apollonius was a God, then any trash will do nicely. |
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Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 7.20: The counts of the indictment, replied the other, are as varied as they are numerous; for your style of dress is assailed in them and your way of living in general, and your having been worshipped by certain people.... Quote:
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The emperor [Domitian] next asked the question: Why is it that men call you a god?You assailed my snippet from Eusebius on the grounds that it does not appear in the Life of Apollonius; does the knowledge that it does appear in the Life change your evaluation? Ben. |
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More from the Life of Apollonius (8.31) on the cult of Apollonius:
And his shrine in Tyana is singled out and honored with royal officers; for neither have the emperors denied to him the honors of which they themselves were held worthy.Ben. |
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"A number of letters supposedly by Apollonius are now thought to be forgeries, but play an important role in how he was perceived throughout history." A bit disingenuous. |
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When considering the probability that Jesus was mythicized into a God, the more often and similar that other men were mythicized into Gods, then the more probable it is that Jesus was a man who was mythicized into a God. If we had 10,000 cases where Gods were invented without any evidence of being derived from an ordinary man; and we had 10,000 cases where ordinary men were mythicized into Gods in circumstances that were similar to Jesus; then I would think that the chances were 50:50 that Jesus was an ordinary man who was mythicized into a God. What do you think the probability is that Jesus was an ordinary man that was mythicized into a God? |
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