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bacht · 07-09-2009, 02:08 PM

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...But he isn't, obviously, because there is no God.

...No, the whole point of religion is to act as a mechanism of social control

Well this is funny. You're an atheist I guess, and here I am castigating you for poor faith. Not the first time I've screwed up nor the last I'm sure.

But really, you've been here five years and you couldn't come up with a better thread starter?

Back Again · 07-09-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J-D

...But he isn't, obviously, because there is no God.

...No, the whole point of religion is to act as a mechanism of social control

Well this is funny. You're an atheist I guess, and here I am castigating you for poor faith. Not the first time I've screwed up nor the last I'm sure.

But really, you've been here five years and you couldn't come up with a better thread starter?

No, he's one of those closet Christians disguised as an atheist.

I think it was Self-Mutation that posited that they might be hiding everywhere around here.

J-D · 07-09-2009, 04:24 PM

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I don't know what you mean by 'crypto-apologist' and I don't know what makes you think I am one. If you're interested in history, you should be interested in evidence, and if you've got a scrap of it, I'd like to see it, since it's me you're making possibly offensive allegations about.

Well, you didn't provide much detail in the OP.

True.

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When Toto tried to clarify the obvious meaning of your question you didn't give a usable response.

Toto didn't try to clarify the meaning of my question. Toto told me that I should be asking different questions. I asked the question I wanted to ask.

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You seem to be hiding your real intentions or beliefs on the matter.

My intention was to find out how people would respond to the question I asked.

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If I'm wrong about this I'm sorry if I misunderstood. You aren't making it easy.

It looks like an easy question to answer to me, but nobody has to answer it if they don't want to.

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Typically it's the true believers who cling to the historical value of the NT texts.

I'm not sure whether this is true, but even if it is, I don't see how it's relevant, since I didn't cling to anything. I asked a question.

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Apologists regularly show up here and tell us all about the Bible and Jesus as if it was news, usually with a minimum of scientific perspective. Sometimes it's a stealth approach, which is what I thought you might be doing.

I've seen that sort of thing happen. My opinion is that it is never a good idea to jump immediately to firm conclusions about what ulterior motives may lurk behind people's approaches. Even if I were attempting a 'stealth approach', how would that make any difference to the answer to the question I asked?

J-D · 07-09-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bacht

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Originally Posted by J-D

...But he isn't, obviously, because there is no God.

...No, the whole point of religion is to act as a mechanism of social control

Well this is funny. You're an atheist I guess, and here I am castigating you for poor faith. Not the first time I've screwed up nor the last I'm sure.

But really, you've been here five years and you couldn't come up with a better thread starter?

It was good for me. If you want a better thread starter, you can always post it yourself.

J-D · 07-09-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bacht

Well this is funny. You're an atheist I guess, and here I am castigating you for poor faith. Not the first time I've screwed up nor the last I'm sure.

But really, you've been here five years and you couldn't come up with a better thread starter?

No, he's one of those closet Christians disguised as an atheist.

I think it was Self-Mutation that posited that they might be hiding everywhere around here.

Not only am I not a Christian, I have never been a Christian and had no Christian upbringing.

show_no_mercy · 07-09-2009, 04:43 PM

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Well, you didn't provide much detail in the OP.

True.Toto didn't try to clarify the meaning of my question. Toto told me that I should be asking different questions. I asked the question I wanted to ask.My intention was to find out how people would respond to the question I asked.It looks like an easy question to answer to me, but nobody has to answer it if they don't want to.I'm not sure whether this is true, but even if it is, I don't see how it's relevant, since I didn't cling to anything. I asked a question.

I think the problem is that the question presented in the OP will give you just as much information as asking "Do you think the historical statements in the latest Spiderman movie are accurate?" People are going to assume too much about the question asked.

Basically... it boils down to what do you mean by "historical statements"?

mountainman · 07-09-2009, 05:05 PM

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No, he's one of those closet Christians disguised as an atheist.

I think it was Self-Mutation that posited that they might be hiding everywhere around here.

Not only am I not a Christian, I have never been a Christian and had no Christian upbringing.

What is your opinion about the political accuracy
of the "History of the New Testament" as furnished
by Eusebius? Or better yet, what it is (if anything)
about the history of the NT furnished by Eusebius
which leads you to suspect that "it may be true"?

J-D · 07-09-2009, 05:10 PM

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Not only am I not a Christian, I have never been a Christian and had no Christian upbringing.

What is your opinion about the political accuracy
of the "History of the New Testament" as furnished
by Eusebius? Or better yet, what it is (if anything)
about the history of the NT furnished by Eusebius
which leads you to suspect that "it may be true"?

I have never read the History of the New Testament, or anything about it, and hence have no comment to make.

J-D · 07-09-2009, 06:46 PM

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True.Toto didn't try to clarify the meaning of my question. Toto told me that I should be asking different questions. I asked the question I wanted to ask.My intention was to find out how people would respond to the question I asked.It looks like an easy question to answer to me, but nobody has to answer it if they don't want to.I'm not sure whether this is true, but even if it is, I don't see how it's relevant, since I didn't cling to anything. I asked a question.

I think the problem is that the question presented in the OP will give you just as much information as asking "Do you think the historical statements in the latest Spiderman movie are accurate?"

Well, that's easy enough to test.

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=271268

Back Again · 07-10-2009, 03:22 PM

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No, he's one of those closet Christians disguised as an atheist.

I think it was Self-Mutation that posited that they might be hiding everywhere around here.

Not only am I not a Christian, I have never been a Christian and had no Christian upbringing.

Sorry, I was making a bad joke at your expense. Feel free to return the favor.

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