maryhelena

Simple answer.....a prophetic story requires a prophetic time frame. Pilate simply happened to be the man of the moment - available, as it were, within the time frame of the prophetic applications.

1) 70 years from the execution, by Rome, of the last King and High Priest of the Jews, Antigonus in 37 b.c. - 33 c.e.

2) applying a prophetic time frame from Artaxerxes I, 465 b.c. and 483 years later it's 18/19 c.e. and the first year of Pilate (Josephus being ambiguous.)

3)using the general dating for Pilate, 26 c.e. and that is around 483 years from the 7th year of Artaxerxes, 457 b.c.

However one might rearrange these prophetic figures re Daniel 9 - Pilate is going to figure within them.

The time of Pilate is fundamental to the Jesus prophetic storyline. Yes, events, historical or Josephan pseudo-history, of later years, can be backdated - as events of earlier years can be updated to the time of Pilate. However, if that is so - then the question does arise as to what events during the time of Pilate were of interest to the gospel storytellers. Past, Future - and Present. All rearranged and condensed, to fit a gospel prophetic storyline that is set down during the time of Pilate.

A magical Christmas story that leads to that "never-ending road to Calvary"....

apologies to Les Mis.....

Tenorikuma

I'm sold. If Einhorn's claims and portrayal of the evidence in Josephus are accurate, I think this just might be the historical Jesus.

maryhelena

And the historical evidence for the existence of this Egyptian prophet is??

Storytelling is not just the prerogative of the gospel writers......

aa5874

It is most fascinating that Lena Einhorn has actually attempted to show that there was NO historical Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified under Pilate when Caiaphas was high Priest, Herod was tetrach of Galilee in the reign of Tiberius.

Essentially, if the historical Jesus was the Egyptian prophet who was ALIVE up to c 52 CE then the Entire Jesus story in the NT is a Fable--a complete invention.

The Quest for an historical Jesus was to show that the NT accounts of Jesus were fundamentally history NOT absolute Fiction.

In Josephus, the Egyptian prophet was NOT crucified and his time of death is not known at all. And further, there is ZERO corroboration for the Egyptian prophet story outside of Josephus.

Virtually All Apologetic sources claimed Jesus of Nazareth was crucified under Pilate.

In a twist of events, Lena Einhorn has re-inforced the argument that there was NO HJ of Nazareth as stated in the NT--that the NT is an absolute source of fiction.

Bart Ehrman in his many writings has also confirmed that the NT is filled with discrepancies, contradictions, and accounts of Jesus that most likely did NOT happen.

outhouse

Building a survivable religion in a culture that carried a mighty sword against religions against the empire.

outhouse

My point, she doesnt have a track record with any credibility.

I see no change as of yet with her current work.


You dont think as a untrained scholar, she has to many irons in the fire?

andrewcriddle

One obvious issue is that the Egyptian prophet was apparently not crucified. It is not clear why followers of the Egyptian prophet would rapidly come to claim such an end for their leader if it did not actually happen.

Andrew Criddle

Clivedurdle

Has anyone put the New Testament through plagiarism software?

Toto

Who does? There's a guild of academics who have no controls and no way of validating their opinions, except that they agree with each other.

She at least has a scientific background.

I don't think you have the training to recognize quality in scholarship.

outhouse

That would only be your personal opinion, and I know it is wrong.


I know enough to be able to cherry pick many different scholars, and understand most of the big names, and have a generalized overview of their work.


I know you like to build up amateurs in this hobby, and that is fine and dandy. Just dont expect everyone else to jump on that bandwagon