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Brave Sir Robin · 04-29-2004, 09:48 PM

Come on guys, don't be so hard on him - surely Mohammed is at least as good as Jesus.

And what is "pbuh" - are you burping mid-post?

I have a question: does saying "May Peace of God Be Upon Him" have an effect? If you don't say it, will he (in his dead/undead state) not have Peace of God? Does he get more peace if more people say it a lot of times? At this point he must be in a state that makes "stoned" look positively manic!

The evening's alcohol inspires me to quote some famous person who said:

"BULLSHIT"

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MUHAMMAD. Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is losopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a

"Tyrant, philanderer, misogynist, terrorist, sexist, murderer, proponent of mind enslavement, deluded psychopath, blah de f*kin blah..."

Does repeating stuff make it more true for you?

Repeat after me: "Send money to Brave Sir Robin, for he alone is worthy, drunken yet philanthropic, pressed but yea not squishy, set upon but persevering..."

Weltall · 04-29-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by One God

He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (common era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam

Which is why there are all these little scientific errors in the Quran of course...

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During this short period of 23 years of his prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian peninsula from paganism and idolatry to the worship of One God,

And that Kaaba thingy isn't an idol at all, no siree.

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from tribal quarrels and wars to

-wars with anyone that didn't convert to the new faith.

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Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since – and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.

Funny that it fell apart so quickly then. Look at that region today, see any paradises on earth?

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Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is MUHAMMAD.

His philosophy leaves much to be desired, his political skills apparently didn't extend to creating a lasting system, being a warrior isn't something you should take a whole lot of pride in ('Great warrior, wars not make one great' sayeth the True Prophet Yoda) and please point me to the 'rational' dogmas. I see a lot of things that are as stupid as the Christian dogmas, if not moreso in places.

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As regards all the standards by which Human Greatness may be measured, we may well ask, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?

Buddha and Ghandi instantly spring to mind.

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"the league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."

Please excuse me while I snicker quietly, then please excuse me while I point to a little thing called the United Nations, which trumps your quote.

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K.S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying,

As others have noted, pedophilia is not something to hold up as a standard for decent behavior. Abberant definitely, but not something to be proud of.

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Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of Muhammad (pbuh) have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation.

Which is why there is only one school of thought in Islam. Wait a minute, there isn't. I wonder why that is...

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The least YOU can do as a thinking and concerned human being is to stop for a moment and ask yourself:

Have you hugged a kitten today?

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Could these statements sounding so extraordinary and revolutionary really be true?

Depends, are you rewriting the definition of 'hyperbole' to encompass 'truth'?

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And supposing they really are true and you did not know this man MUHAMMAD (pbuh) or hear about him, isn't it time you responded to this tremendous challenge and put in some effort to know him?

Funny, I've heard this same statement from fundy Christians. Just a hint: For this to have any relevance whatsoever it would help if you could prove that your deity actually exists.

lpetrich · 04-29-2004, 10:13 PM

PBUH: Peace Be Upon Him

Mughal · 04-30-2004, 12:55 AM

I do not think anyone can disagree that islamic literature contains many good things about Muhmmad but the problem is it also contains many bad things as well.

For example, Muhammad married a 6 year old child Ayesha at the age of 53. This may be tribal custom but the claim of Muhammad was that he was a prophet of god and for ever. Therefore what he has done is wrong ie marrying a child. Since muslims must follow the prophet therefore they too marry child brides here and there even in the UK ie continueing the child abuse.

Muhammad based his religion on war booty, see chapter 8 of the quran wherein 1/5 of the booty belongs to allah and his messenger. A religion of peace based on war booty, does that make any sense? The only sense this conveys is that islam teaches this as a way of life ie live off others by robbing them.

There is a whole lot more in the quran about sex slaves, slavery, brutality etc etc but I will not bother about it just now. All this goes to show that people who said only nice things about muhammad either did not know islamic sources or that they were trying to please muslims for some reason eg make money of them by fooling them or get political support of them for some reason. Perhaps the best example today are those nonmulims scientists who see science in the quran.

Queen of Swords · 04-30-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by One God

You Should Know This Man

Are you sure? At 28, I may be a little over the hill for him.

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He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth.

People say the same thing about Jesus, Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and the Reverend Sun Myung Moon too.

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The least YOU can do as a thinking and concerned human being

Thinking? Yes. Concerned about your religion? Not at all. Do you think that more parrotlike proselytization will change this?

lpetrich · 04-30-2004, 01:44 AM

And "One God" whines that we are picking on him/her and his/her beliefs.

xsquid · 04-30-2004, 03:33 AM

Well, this should satisfy those Christian bleaters who claim we're always picking only on them...

Azathoth · 04-30-2004, 03:34 AM

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You Should Know This Man

Sorry. My appointment book is chock full of eccentric prophet-types from that area. I might be able to pencil him in after a short discussion with a Mr Alhazred, but that's about it.

But,not to worry,I'm sure Muhammed can meet individuals on his own,without your help.

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Quoted by Mughal:

For example, Muhammad married a 6 year old child Ayesha at the age of 53.

Can you imagine that relationship?

"Daddy,I want to go play with the other kids."

"I'm not your Daddy,I'm your Husband. Remember the talk we had."

"Ok. Can I play now?"

"Go ahead. I'm going to take a nap. Oy vey,my feet are killing me."

You,know, I'd give him credit as a much smarter guy, if he didn't rip off the previous religious traditions, wholesale.

Inventing his own religion, right from scratch...now that would have been a lot more impressive.

Muhammed's just lucky the Jews never took him to court for royalty payments.

Plognark · 04-30-2004, 10:58 AM

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Well, this should satisfy those Christian bleaters who claim we're always picking only on them...

Probably not, but we can hope, right?

beastmaster · 04-30-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by One God

George Bernard Shaw said about him:
"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."

Funny - this Muslim website (third column, fourth paragraph) credits this quote to Napolean Bonaparte! (Given the reference to "dictatorship," such a source sounds more reasonable.)

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04-29-2004, 10:13 PM	#13
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	PBUH: Peace Be Upon Him

04-30-2004, 12:55 AM	#14
Mughal Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Islamabad, Pakistan & Glasgow, UK Posts: 1,525	I do not think anyone can disagree that islamic literature contains many good things about Muhmmad but the problem is it also contains many bad things as well. For example, Muhammad married a 6 year old child Ayesha at the age of 53. This may be tribal custom but the claim of Muhammad was that he was a prophet of god and for ever. Therefore what he has done is wrong ie marrying a child. Since muslims must follow the prophet therefore they too marry child brides here and there even in the UK ie continueing the child abuse. Muhammad based his religion on war booty, see chapter 8 of the quran wherein 1/5 of the booty belongs to allah and his messenger. A religion of peace based on war booty, does that make any sense? The only sense this conveys is that islam teaches this as a way of life ie live off others by robbing them. There is a whole lot more in the quran about sex slaves, slavery, brutality etc etc but I will not bother about it just now. All this goes to show that people who said only nice things about muhammad either did not know islamic sources or that they were trying to please muslims for some reason eg make money of them by fooling them or get political support of them for some reason. Perhaps the best example today are those nonmulims scientists who see science in the quran.

04-30-2004, 01:44 AM	#16
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	And "One God" whines that we are picking on him/her and his/her beliefs.

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