aa5874

Your statement is WHOLLY erroneous. In fact, in gMark the author IDENTIFIED his Jesus as the Son of God.

Mark 14.61-62 Mark 15:39 KJV Why do you blatantly make claims contrary to the actual written statements in gMark??

gMark's Jesus is a Mythological entity.

Where is the evidence that Paul might be the earliest?? The Pauline NEVER made such a claim. The Pauline writer was LAST to be seen of Jesus in the Canon.

Paul could NOT ever be the earliest tradition. The earliest tradition must be those whom Paul persecuted based on the very Pauline letters and Acts of the Apostles.

The Pauline letters were NOT known up to the time Acts of the Apostles was composed and Not known up to the time of Festus procurator of Judea c 59-62 CE.

Apologetic sources and the Pauline writers do NOT ever state Paul is the earliest tradition. Paul was Last in the Canon or AFTER those he persecuted.

gMark is considered the EARLIEST Jesus story and the Jesus story was known to Paul when he was a persecutor.

ApostateAbe

I think Luke 23:2 makes a better case, so now I know that the case of Jesus being a tax rebel is not completely invisible. Still, the evidence seems to indicate that Jesus had more of a reluctance to pay taxes and not a moral imperative against it. He taught that he and his disciples would soon become the rulers of Israel, and he has no obligation to pay taxes, but he did so out of legal necessity. It is unlikely, for example, that Jesus would be so warm with tax collectors if he did not pay his taxes.

outhouse

he was warm with tax payers because he was trying to get them to stop collecting money.


cultural context of Galilee comes int play. It was the headquarters for tax zealots who hated roman oppression.


jesus knew violence against romans ment death

so he wanted everyone to cut them off financially, give up everything you own, help your brothers out, ect ect ect

ApostateAbe

Cozying up with tax collectors may be a good strategy of a tax cheat, but not of a tax rebel. Tax rebels view tax collectors as the enemy. Jesus could not have convinced tax collectors to stop collecting taxes because that is how tax collectors made their living. They took a cut of the taxes collected.

aa5874

Your use of gLuke as an historical source for the Jesus character is completely unacceptable--totally absurd.

gLuke makes the very worst case for an historical Jesus of Nazareth.

You very well know that the author of gLuke claimed his Jesus was a Son of a God and detailed his conception to avoid any mis-understanding.

Have you forgotten Luke 1.35??

Luke 1:35 KJV It is clear to me that you are not interested in the FACT that gLuke is a Myth Fable about the Son of a God just like gMark.

gLuke's Jesus was NOT a figure of history from the very start and the author PUBLISHED it in the Roman Empire since at least the 4th century.

It is extremely disturbing that people are using Known myth fables as a source of "history" for the Son of a God.

outhouse

I understand the context of first century Galilean tax collectors. Because of the tax war and loss of life in Galilee during jesus childhood. Jesus knew fighting against taxation was suicide.

this is what made him unique, he figured out peaceful resistance could have a impact if he got enough jews behing him. he failed. He also went against his own method fighting in the temple and died for his mistake


we will never know the true context of his real movement due to roman authors writing is story. Not Galilean jews writing about him.


his temple episode fighting the corrupt governement is the only thing he was remembered for, and his history filed in later by those that never knew him.


we have shadows from the past, as our only information to base his life on, so we are forced to use cultural anthropology to fill in much of the gaps.

taxation and death were certainties then under roman oppression, and Galilleans were the fighting force as they hated the oppression more so then most typical jews

aa5874

Your story about Jesus was INVENTED. History is not assembled from Gaps of Imagination and Myth Fables.

Please, just go get some credible sources.

The NT is riddled with Fiction, Implausibility and Mythology.

The Jesus of the NT was the Son of a God--A myth.

outhouse

its a fact jesus was not noticed for his preaching and teaching or healing out of the ordinary while alive, not one scribe writes about him.


its his rebellious act in front of 400,000 witnesses at passover that spread his legend and martyrdom, and the only reason he was ever remembered and written about. And that took what 15 ish years for paul to start recording who for what it amounts to jesus mortal blood enemy recording hi sversion of the legend, not the man. the theology that grew from his death.

aa5874

If Jesus did NOT actually exist not one scribe writes about him.

That is exactly what I predicted. Jesus did NOT EXIST so it is obvious that he would not be noticed and no scribe wrirtes about him.

And it is NOT only the scribes that did NOT notice Jesus--the whole Roman including the Pauline writers.

You are an inventor. You fabricate your own Myth Fables about your Jesus.

The fracas at the Temple is fiction. Total fiction.

Your favorite "history books", the NT, are Myth Fables.

The authors who claimed Jesus was in Jerusalem around the time of the Passover also claimed Jesus was Fathered by a Ghost and was the Son of God.

ApostateAbe

Mark would be about on the same level of historical significance as Q, in my opinion. They are not eyewitness sources (there are no eyewitness sources), but they are among the earliest sources. I would give significantly less weight to anything contained in the gospel of John. Excluding miracles is not nearly as important as the approximate date of authorship.