Ehud

Just tossing some stuff out there in response to what has already been said in this thread.

Been reading this site for some time. I doubt we will change each others minds, but it is always fun to have a friendly debate on the issues.

Just to note that I do not use the KJV. There are better translations that use texts older than those used for translation of the KJV. KJV used the best texts they had in 1611. Since then there have been many, many older texts found. The more modern translations use these older texts.

http://www.bible.org

Great site with tons of translator notes so you can see why the translators used the words they did. There are essays as well on the site that explore some of the issues I have seen on this board. Worth checking out. http://www.bible.org/docs/theology/theology.htm

About the bug thing. Many insects burrow into the ground or hibernate under water for the winter. I know where I live that mosquitos swarm during the summer, but go underground for the winter (which lasts from October-May). Same with the flies and bees.

Also, read the flood account and you will see that the only animals that were saved on the ark were those that breathed through nostrils. It has been awhile since I took a biology course, but I don't think bugs have nostrils.

Doctor X

Which flood account?

--J.D.

Postcard73

No problem- your reply was fine. I just don't want this to turn into an explanation of the basics of evolution.

Rymmie1981

Ehud, then what of the variety of tarantula that has no nostrils, cannot burrow underground, cannot swim, and requires rather large animals in order eat? Unless, they come from some burrowing spider that was "selectively bred" into the tarantula. But, then, there are also many species of scorpion that cannot dig for shelter.

As for the gene expression of fish, a fish that lives in fresh water cannot suddenly adapt to salt water, or vise versa. In fact, gene expression can only change over the course of many generations. The exception is with retroviruses or certain chemical therapies. And, I have a hard time believing that a retrovirus switched on the salt water genes of all the fresh water fish. I have an even harder time believing that the chemicals required to change gene expression suddenly appeared in all fresh water leaving not one scrap of evidence. You admitted that fish can change over time, but 40 days and nights is not nearly enough time without these examples. And, yes, the water would have been extremely salty because all the minerals and salts on the ground would suddenly become part of the water cycle.

Please. Next.

Mageth

Originally posted by Ehud
About the bug thing. Many insects burrow into the ground or hibernate under water for the winter.

None that I know of burrow or hibernate under 5 miles of water.

And many lay eggs on trees, bushes, etc. that hatch in the spring, and then die. The little critters, if they survived the water, would need something to eat when they hatched.

I know where I live that mosquitos swarm during the summer, but go underground for the winter (which lasts from October-May). Same with the flies and bees.

And none of which would survive if submerged under water for hours, much less months.

Also, read the flood account and you will see that the only animals that were saved on the ark were those that breathed through nostrils. It has been awhile since I took a biology course, but I don't think bugs have nostrils.

Literally true I suppose, though all insects do breathe (I learned that in biology), and none could do so under water and therefore would not survive. I also learned that they eat, and thus require foodstuffs, which would not be available for most after such a flood.

Matrioshka_Brain

Hey Magus or Ehud:

Either of you want to take up the subject of the flood in the Formal Debates form? Just a thought.

I get sick of hearing about the subject.

Ehud

I would have to pass on the debate for now.

Would need to brush up on my flood stuff, as it is now I am just tossing out stuff I remember from studies done in past years.

Would be fun though, but I am just not up to par for a formal debate at the moment. All I would do is make a fool out of myself with half remembered facts and figures.

But then again, I am sure you would enjoy that.

Doctor X

Ehud:

Troll around the recent threads on the subject here. You will find both the science and the Genesis stories detailed. Granted, I must admit both show that the Flood Myths never happened. However, you will have a good summary of the issues.

People have been chomping at the bit because we have hit-and-run declarations that the world could be 10,000 years old and the Flood Myths are historical. Hit with the evidence, they disappear.

--J.D.