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Doug Shaver · 02-14-2012, 03:43 AM

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Is it hard to imagine that . . . ?

Our imaginations are irrelevant. Anything we can imagine may be possible. The evidence makes some of those possibilities more probable than the others.

aa5874 · 02-14-2012, 08:52 AM

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...... The idea that the gospels had oral sources is based on the idea that they are history, and are trying to recount actual events. There is no basis in reality for the idea that the gospels are even trying to recount actual history....

Your statement is not really accurate. Oral traditions can be based on Myth, folklore and rumors.

There were many many Myth Fables of the Greeks and Romans and certainly there were oral tradition associated with those myths based on the multiple versions.

In Plutarch's "Romulus", the author did state that there were many versions of Romulus and Remus and how the city of Rome was founded.

Duvduv · 02-14-2012, 09:00 AM

Besides, Toto, what would be the incentive, for example, for the author of Luke to think up a genealogy of Joseph that he knew was so much different that appearing in Matthew? What difference would it make so that he'd go to so much trouble instead of cutting and pasting the genealogy, or for that matter, the nativity story in general, where so many details are different?
Unless he believed from other sources or traditions that his version was the correct one?

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But Toto we see that they are not simply writing novels for popular entertainment. They are writing for what they considered to be a serious religious purpose. They aren't Hollywood script writers.

They were not historians. A religion is more likely to form around a Hollywood movie (think Star Wars) than a history book.

Toto · 02-14-2012, 01:01 PM

Chili contribution split off here

Duvduv · 02-14-2012, 01:16 PM

It's OK, Toto. I'll wait for your reply. I can't follow Chili's ideas anyway.

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Chili contribution split off here

Duvduv · 02-16-2012, 02:20 PM

When examinig another story shared by all 4 gospels, i.e. the story of the feeding of the five thousand, there are many interesting differences in the story among the 4 gospels that seem to suggest different transmitted versions.

It is also especially noteworthy that the last third or so of the stories are most similar to one another starting from the subject of the 5 loaves and 2 fish as compared to the first third to one half of the stories.
See again:
http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/gospels...7.htm#fivethou

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Chili contribution split off here

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Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	When examinig another story shared by all 4 gospels, i.e. the story of the feeding of the five thousand, there are many interesting differences in the story among the 4 gospels that seem to suggest different transmitted versions. It is also especially noteworthy that the last third or so of the stories are most similar to one another starting from the subject of the 5 loaves and 2 fish as compared to the first third to one half of the stories. See again: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/gospels...7.htm#fivethou

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