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Larkin31 · 01-03-2010, 06:38 PM

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Crossan ...

What is Crossan’s opinion on the following passages?

Deuteronomy 18:15
The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers.

John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is the Prophet."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19
“I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.”

John 10:25-26
Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

Deuteronomy 34:9-12
Now Jesus/Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses. Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, who did all those miraculous signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.

Sirach 46:1
Now Jesus/Joshua son of Nun was valiant in the wars, and was the successor of Moses in prophecies

Hebrews 3:3
For he has come to deserve greater glory than Moses …

Zechariah 3:1 LXX
And the Lord shewed me Jesus/Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and the Devil stood on his right hand to resist him.

Hebrews 4:14
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.

Zechariah 3:5-6
Take away the filthy raiment from him … and clothe ye him with a long robe, and place a pure mitre upon his head

Matthew 27:28-29
They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him, and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head.

Sibylline Oracle 5:345
And one shall come again from heaven, a man
Preeminent, whose hands on fruitful tree
By far the noblest of the Hebrews stretched,
Who at one time did make the sun stand still.

Call me a nut, but it seems to me like some sort of assessment is in order.

I don't know what he says about each one. I do know that he basically accepts wholesale (he writes that he does) Price's references to these types of patterns of agreements with or contradictions of OT material.

But what point are you trying to make about a historical man named Jesus with these quotations? You should just state your conclusion from them. From my point of view, the OT and NT are loaded with both questionable parallels and mind-boggling contradictions. :huh:

Loomis · 01-03-2010, 06:46 PM

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But what point are you trying to make about a historical man named Jesus with these quotations?

If you are decent honest and good, then why are you pretending that I’m trying to make a point about a historical man named Jesus? :constern01:

Larkin31 · 01-03-2010, 06:49 PM

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But what point are you trying to make about a historical man named Jesus with these quotations?

If you are decent honest and good, then why are you pretending that I’m trying to make a point about a historical man named Jesus? :constern01:

What??

That is what this entire thread is about.

Am I missing a joke here? I am just asking you to make a point about all that you are cutting and pasting here.

Loomis · 01-03-2010, 06:53 PM

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That is what this entire thread is about.

Nope. The thread asserts that the Historical Jesus a most senseless proposition. :wave:

If you don’t want to respond to my suggestion that Jesus worship predates Jesus then you are welcome to sit on the sidelines. Your decision to not respond is noted.

aa5874 · 01-03-2010, 06:53 PM

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My thread is not about feelings. I am INTERESTED in credible historical sources that can show that the HJ is not a most SENSELESS proposition.

And just so you know, the title of your thread and the mantra that you keep repeating is a CONCLUSION (your "thinking"), not a fact from a source. So what we are all doing here--and what Price does, and what Crossan does--is THINK (not feel) about the evidence from the sources and draw conclusions. I am asking you here to comment on someone else's "conclusion" other than your own.

You are the one who brought Price and Crossan to this thread. You are the one who introduced Crossan's feelings.

I am interested in historical sources that may contradict my proposal that the HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition.

Why are you evading the most simplest of tasks?

Now that you have read your ESSAYS please provide an historical source of antiquity for the HJ of Nazareth so that I can examine the source for its veracity or credibility.

Crossan's feelings may change but historical records should last a little longer.

Larkin31 · 01-03-2010, 06:57 PM

Is anyone monitoring this thread? Am I allowed to get angry about the refusal to answer direct comments on the SAME sources that these folks provide? And then I am told that I am introducing "feelings" and that I should name my sources???

Toto · 01-03-2010, 07:02 PM

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Is anyone monitoring this thread?

alas, yes

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Am I allowed to get angry about the refusal to answer direct comments on the SAME sources that these folks provide? And then I am told that I am introducing "feelings" and that I should name my sources???

Your emotions are your own business, just don't post personal insults or other rules violations.

You can announce that you are withdrawing from this thread at any time. I don't think anyone will think any less of you.

Cheers

Toto

Loomis · 01-03-2010, 07:03 PM

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Is anyone monitoring this thread?

Larkin, are you a whiner? :frown: Just answer honestly.

Larkin31 · 01-03-2010, 07:04 PM

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Is anyone monitoring this thread?

alas, yes

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Am I allowed to get angry about the refusal to answer direct comments on the SAME sources that these folks provide? And then I am told that I am introducing "feelings" and that I should name my sources???

Your emotions are your own business, just don't post personal insults or other rules violations.

You can announce that you are withdrawing from this thread at any time. I don't think anyone will think any less of you.

Cheers

Toto

I know.

It was a rhetorical howl in the wilderness.

Happy New Year!

Larkin31 · 01-03-2010, 07:05 PM

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Is anyone monitoring this thread?

Larkin, are you a whiner? :frown: Just answer honestly.

I prefer whites to reds, typically.

Cheers!

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