Starboy

If anyone has a thing for "religion", usartist, it would have to be you.

No problem. I'll do it. Usartist, you are missing the point!

You forgot to add, "as long as it agrees with what I've been saying."

BS, you have been trying to create an atheist organization. Poor baby, the atheists are not going along. They must all be wrong and you must be right.

Starboy

usartist

"Secular societies," such as the U.S., requires the people to maintain a religion, because religion vehicles morality.

(Calm down), my use of religion implies atheists as well as theists.

Atheists have a morality, and it is through that morality that they protest the government.


I do not know the constitutions of other nations. I do however understand the Constitution of the U.S., and it does not address the individual until the Fourth Amendment. Therefore it places all citizens into religions. because a single solitary opinion is absolutely worthless until at least one other person agrees and supports that opinion.

usartist

That is not true. And I can take you on a tour.

Starboy

Usartist, you have been playing this atheist religion record for some time now and just about every atheist that has heard it doesn't care for it. Playing it more is not going to change anyone's mind. Why don't you give it a rest?

Starboy

breathilizer

And this is where no one agrees with you. To have a religion is to have a belief in and about a god (or god-like figure, i.e. Buddha). Just because you keep saying "Nuh uh, no it doesn't," doesn't mean that it doesn't. 99& of the world understands that religion entails a belief in god/god-like figure. If you stick the word religion on atheists, people will get the wrong impression. We don't worship anything. We don't worship our family, our possessions, our country, et al. As much as you would like to imply that we do, we don't. Get over it.

Hyndis

Err...so am I to assume that "religion" means something else entirely?

Because even if "religion" now means "fruit preference", then you're still in the wrong. If you declare by fiat that everyone prefers one type of fruit over another, and that the US government requires people to have a preference of one type of fruit over another in order to function, you still run into the problem that the 1st Amendment says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of fruit preferences, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Yahzi

But it is not the only vehicle for morality.

You keep saying this, and we keep telling you that you're wrong, and you just ignore us.

Religion does not mean "vehicle for morality." It is possible to induct children into a moral, ethical system without ever once resorting to religion.

Why do you insist on using words in ways that just confuse everyone else?

Two people agreeing with each other does not create a religion. The word religion has a meaning. It is not the meaning you are using. Your obession with the words "atheism" and "religion" is irrational.

usartist

Why don't you, just, ignore me?

usartist

then what is another vehicle?Why don't you,just, ignore me?Okay, what is it?I understand it is confuing to you. And, that is exactly where the theists want you to be. That is why atheist organizations fail.You, and most atheists have an obseesion with the incorrect definition of 'Religion.' And, that constitutes dogma.

usartist

That's the definition of 'Theism." Notice how it reinforces theism.

"Religion," would be better understood as a behavioral training program for humans.

It is onhly by coincedence that the overwhelming majority of religions incorporate the ideology of theism.

Non-theist religions have been successfully oppressed throughout history, because of the overwhelming ability for the theist ideologues to gather membership, because theism offered explainations for the natural occurrences that perplexed the ignorant.