SLD

I often see Christians pointing out Isaiah, Chapters 52 and 53 as prophecies for the future Christ.


But what do the freethinkers say about this passage and others from these chapters that imply a suffering and dying messiah whose wounds heal us from our sins.

Or is this a christian mistranslation of Isaiah?


SLD

traques

If this is about how awesome Isaiah's prediction was I have an answer.

I'm not a biblical scholar, or a weather man, but ambiguous predictions with no time frame are bound to happen eventually. Nostradamus showed us that. Even then, many many people have suffered before and after Jesus, who is to say it wasn't for our sins?

Littlejohn

Hello, SLD.

Christianism's "founders" (more correctly "Chatolicism's founders"), stolen to the jesuans-gnostic (faithfuls of Jesus the nazarene) their charismatic figure: Jesus Chrestos (Chrestus il latine). The same they made with the jews' Bible.

Isaiah was not referring also to the messiah of Christians (namely Jesus Christ). However, to counter this fraudulent assertion by Christians, rabbis are invented, in turn, another lie. Even today, in fact, in rabbinic environment one states that the "suffering servant" quoted from Isaiah, is the same people of Israel, forced to live, since the time of the Assyrian conquest of Israel, under foreign domination, often very hard. However, as I said above, this is a pure lie. In fact, Isaiah was referring just to the messiah: not that of Christians, however, but that of Israel! ... To understand why this messiah was "suffering", you must relate to the most ancient of Jewish kabalistic tradition: both oral as well as written (Sefer Zohar).

Best greetings


Littlejohn

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Cesc

Just off the top of my head, isn't it the nation of Israel that Isaiah is talking about in that passage? Poetically personified? In that case its not a prophecy about Jesus. Not even a prophecy about the Messiah or even a prophecy at all.

Remember also that someone suffering in order to save or heal others is simple that of a sacrificial offering. The sacrificial victim talking on the sins then killed for atonement. Nothing particularly Christian about that concept.

mountainman

Does Isaiah really prophecise Christ?

Does Cicero in the year c.50 BCE really quote the Sybil prophecising Christ?
Does Virgil in a Latin poem, written 40 BCE, predict the coming of Christ?

The Boss said that these things were HISTORICAL TRUTH

Best wishes,


Pete