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12-08-2005, 02:12 PM | #101 |
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Where does it say anywhere in the bible that the Beloved Disciple = John, son of Zebedee?
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Jude 1.1: "Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James, To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:" If James is the same James as in Paul "brother of the Lord", and Jude identifies himself with James, the (so-called) brother of Jesus, why wouldn't he make that claim? He doesn't mind giving saying he's brother of James. Jude, also, never mentions Jesus in a historical manner. However, he does quote out of 1 Enoch directly (Jude 1.14-15), which mentions the Son of Man as the Christ (1 Enoch 70.23). Could it be where Christianity came from, or something like it? |
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12-09-2005, 02:48 AM | #107 | |
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Greetings John,
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Perhaps James was embarassed - Jesus wet the bed or something? That's why we hear nothing till he was 12... :-) Iasion |
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James quotes "Love Thy Neighbour as Thyself" - but NOT from Jesus, just "scripture". James preaches about adultery - NO mention of Jesus' teachings. James reminds people not to curse or speak evil - NO mention of Jesus' teachings on that. There is no teachings from Jesus in the letter. Quote:
I said the name Jesus is mentioned twice in the letter - and it is. But nothing ABOUT Jesus. Nor any teachings FROM Jesus. Quote:
Why would anyone think someone would do that? Why did you mention this bizarre idea? Iasion |
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This whole "brother" of Jesus thing is suspect. Quote:
the origin of Jesus is in such writings as Enoch, not history. Iasion |
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