seebs

What do you mean by "selective"? If you're referring to the distinction between "neighbor" and "all other people", I'm not sure they intend any such distinction.

This is true, but Christianity goes a step further, demanding that we love people, not merely treat them well.

Well, there may be "add-ons" involved, but in some cases, I think they are relevant.

socratoad

seebs, I did not use the term selective. I got that from google. I'm quite sure they meant selective as part of a greater whole.

I should have, and will try to find the complete versions of the various "Golden Rule " variations. I used to have it hanging right here on the wall, alas a baby orphan raccoon had other uses for it.

Actually the "all the rest is merely rhetoric" is from a Jewish version of same. The "add-ons" bit was my own literary flourish.

socratoad

SHARED BELIEF IN THE "GOLDEN RULE"
Ethics of Reciprocity


Quotation:
"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama



Overview
Religious groups differ greatly in their concepts of deity, other beliefs and practices. Non-theistic ethical and philosophic systems, like Humanism and Ethical Culture, also exhibit a wide range of beliefs. But there is near unanimity of opinion among almost all religions, ethical systems and philosophies that each person should treat others in a decent manner. Almost all of these groups have passages in their holy texts, or writings of their leaders, which promote this Ethic of Reciprocity. The most commonly known version in North America is the Golden Rule of Christianity. It is often expressed as "Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you."

One result of this Ethic is the concept that every person shares certain inherent human rights, simply because of their membership in the human race. People are individually very different; they come in two main genders; different sizes, colors, and shapes; many races; three sexual orientations; and different degrees of ability. They follow many religious and economic systems, speak many languages, and follow many different cultures. But there is a growing consensus that all are equal in importance. All should enjoy basic human rights. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is one manifestation of this growing worldwide consensus. 3,4

In our opinion, the greatest failure of organized religion is its historical inability to convince their followers that the Ethic of Reciprocity applies to all humans, including those of other religions, the other gender, other races, other sexual orientations, etc. Only when this is accomplished will religiously-related oppression, mass murder and genocide cease.



Some "Ethic of Reciprocity" passages from the religious texts of various religions and secular beliefs:
Bahá'�* World Faith: "Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." "Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah
"And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Epistle to the Son of the Wolf

Brahmanism: "This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517
Buddhism: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18

Christianity: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31, King James Version.
"...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6.

Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23
"Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3
"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4

Ancient Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to 1970 to 1640 BCE and may be the earliest version ever written. 9

Hinduism: "One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself." Mencius Vii.A.4
"This is the sum of the Dharma [duty]: do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you." Mahabharata 5:1517

Humanism: "(5) Humanists acknowledge human interdependence, the need for mutual respect and the kinship of all humanity."
"(11) Humanists affirm that individual and social problems can only be resolved by means of human reason, intelligent effort, critical thinking joined with compassion and a spirit of empathy for all living beings. " 5
"Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you, British Humanist Society. 9

Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 6
Jainism: "Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2.
"In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara
"A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Judaism: "...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18
"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a.
"And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 8

Native American Spirituality: "Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace.
"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk

Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."
Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form"
Sikhism: Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib
"Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259
"No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299

Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.
Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien.
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49

Unitarian: "We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent of all existence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles.
Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede
Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."
Zoroastrianism: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5
"Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29




Some philosophers' statements are:
Epictetus: "What you would avoid suffering yourself, seek not to impose on others." (circa 100 CE)
Plato: "May I do to others as I would that they should do unto me." (Greece; 4th century BCE)
Socrates: "Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." (Greece; 5th century BCE)
Seneca: "Treat your inferiors as you would be treated by your superiors," Epistle 47:11 (Rome; 1st century CE)


The knowledge of that which is above is enough for me to base my personal philosophy upon. I am an agnostic atheist and yet try to live my life based on the "Golden Rule". I don't always succeed because I have a very caustic tongue at times, but still I try.

I do not personally see any need for religious rituals or prayers, for if there should be an invisible entity somewhere who would not accept me for practicing the golden rule then I sure as hell would not wish to accept any sort of salvation from any such entity, either here on earth or elsewhere.

My own little add-on, if you wish, is that as far as is possible I try my best to apply the golden rule to all sentient beings.

I have formed a whole working philosophy around this basic premise. It may not bring me holy exhilaration or ecstasy, but it does bring me serenity and peace of mind.

seebs

Well, then. If anyone ever gives you shit about not being "saved", or whatever:

Looks like you're covered.

Heathen Dawn

That’s right. I don’t do PMs anymore. I’ve had a bad experience with them on another board, and additionally, they’re hard to archive. You can send me an e-mail.

Kassiana

Sorry. Member of an anti-proselytizing faith. I can share with you my joke religion, if you like, but nothing which I seriously believe.

Heathen Dawn

So am I, but sharing isn’t necessarily proselytising. And I think he request sharing of the theistic experience in general, not of a particular faith.

Kassiana

::shrug:: You can't share the theistic experience. Either you have one, or you don't. It's like sharing the experience of sky diving. Either you've sky dived and know what it feels like, or you haven't and you don't.

I can't share with you what it feels like to be married to my husband. I can tell you all sorts of stuff about it, but it won't give the feelings to you. The only way to actually understand it is to marry him yourself (but you'd better not because I'd come after you with a very large hardbound Principia Discordia). If you're not able to or uninterested, you won't understand.

seebs

Agreed. I think, however, you can sometimes talk to people about it and help them recognize it.

You can't share what it's like to be in love, but you can talk about it enough to help someone distinguish love from infatuation.

newtype_alpha

More to the point, there have been massive volumes of literature and poetry devoted to the subject of what it is like to fall in love. Every work on the subject is unique as they all describe it slightly differently. The reason for this seems two-fold: all people experience love differently, and all people interpret their experience differently. Even if ten people had the exact same experience, they would likely STILL describe it slightly differently.