Adonael

I believe the Gospels to be reliable historical documents and that there was a historical Jesus. My belief was assumed to be mutually possessed, and she gave no indication to believe otherwise.

aa5874

So, you actually believe that Matthew 1.18 is an historical account of the conception and birth of Jesus, and that based on this account that Jesus was a Jew?

Matthew 1.18 I cannot find any credible information about Jesus of the NT.

How on earth did you find any?

Adonael

I believe Jesus is divine and was born from Mary, but I reject some of the infancy narratives. My understanding that Jesus was a Jew is based upon other historical reasons. I should make it clear that I'm not interested in arguing for my beliefs; the OP asks about reasons to deny Jesus' Jewishness.

arnoldo

Upon further reflection the english term "world" which is a translation of the world "kronos" may refer more to "world order" rather than a literal planet. Similar misunderstandings arose from the teachings of Yeshua that his followers must be born again from above as noted in the following verse.

Solo

Jesus is clearly identified in the gospels as 'Galilean' who was killed in Judea, through the actions of the temple hierarcchy. Scholars like Hugh Schonfield believe that the Judaism of Jesus (which was Torah-based) came into conflict with the values and practices of the temple hierarchy. That may be a little bit of Dostoyevski, but I think it would be mistake not to make the distinction between the regional "colours" of Judaism which may well have played a major role in shaping the historical background.

...start here...

Jiri

Toto

I suspect that your friend heard someone like the scholar I mentioned, but misinterpreted what was said.

Jeffrey Gibson

Galatians and 1 & 2 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians were created for Jews?

Jeffrey

storytime

Maybe the idea that Jesus was not a Jew is based in his anointed position and that through his Levite heritage? Jesus appointed himself higher than the Jews, not of their world as his world was covenanted in the Levite family, and maybe this indicated his position as priest and the priestly hiarchy which took president above the Jews, because the Jews[Judah tribe] were not gods chosen people for the priesthood.

"Touch not mine anointed, nor do my prophets no harm" has it's meaning in prohibition of any of the other tribes who might have thought to displace the Levites from their covenanted "place"[as in heaven]. The Levites were separated to God[as in heaven] while the other tribes were the congregation[on earth].

I think Paul described himself as an Israelite of the House of Benjamin, a Benjamite, and yet a Jew and a Pharisee of the Pharisees. So Jesus could have been seen as an Israelite of the House of Levi and House of Judah and both identities wrapped into the framework of that administrative body of Israel as portrayed in OT.

But, I could also be wrong in trying to assess these roles of people in Israel as to their governing body and peopled purpose among themselves.

aa5874

You are the one who claimed you have confuted a person who claimed Jesus of the NT was not a Jew.

The NT contains at least two accounts of the conception, birth and the place of birth of Jesus of the NT. You need to tell me which one of them, or if any, is an historical account.


And if you believe Jesus was a Jew because you believe Mary was his mother,just because the NT says so, then you may have confuted yourself.

I am not interested in your beliefs, just facts and information.

How did you come to the conclusion that Jesus was a Jew? Please, don't tell me anything about your belief.

Toto

aa5874 - quit trying to hijack this thread. This involved a question by someone who accepts the NT as historical.