Sauron

What about porn, Rev Prez?

Did Christ ever specifically condemn that?

erimir

You ARE good at avoiding the question, aren't you?

The premise is that Jesus is generally depicted as being peaceful by Christians, which then would make one think that Christians who support the war in Iraq MAY be hypocritical. The question is asking for them to explain why, if Jesus is supposedly peaceful and God is love and all that goodness, do they support the war in Iraq?

A question you again declined to respond to. I'll ask again: Would Jesus bomb Iraq? If so, why?

And although I don't expect more than another one liner... What is generally seen as good discussion isn't just saying "MLK was wrong. I win." You could try, say, EXPLAINING why you consider the premise to be wrong. Which would probably go along with answering the question.

erimir

Well, they didn't have photos then, so I guess it MIGHT be ok...

Oh, but I seem to remember him saying something about lust and committing adultery in the heart... SOMETHING like that. I think that might have relevance to the question of pornography.

Rev Prez

Then establish that premise.

Only if Jesus is this Kantian you speak of. I'm still looking for a prohibition against war in the New Testament.

Rev Prez

Sauron

So in other words, there might be guiding principles that form a framework for a person to know right from wrong? Even if a particular example isn't brought up by name?

Hmmm.

In that case, it sounds like RevPrez' insistence on showing where Christ forbade war might not be the definitive litmus test on that topic.

erimir

I have a better idea. You could answer the question.

I don't have to write a paper describing Jesus's views on violence and warfare in order to ask a question.

I haven't even made any specific claims about Jesus. I've just said that he is quite often described as non-violent and peaceful. If I have to bother "establishing" that Jesus is usually depicted as peaceful, then obviously you're just being a nitpick to be annoying. It's common knowledge that he is.

Do you agree that he is often depicted as peaceful, or do you disagree? I want an answer. If you do agree, then there's no need for you to bother asking me to establish the premise. If you disagree, then you should be prepared to defend the position that Jesus is not usually depicted as peaceful.

At any rate, I just want to ask a question, not debate about whether I think Jesus is in fact a pacifist.

Would Jesus bomb Iraq?

Zephyrus

Food for thought:

Rev Prez

I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in those verses. Now where's the prohibition against war?

Rev Prez

Rev Prez

I don't accept the premise of the question.

No, but you could cite a verse and show how it is indisputably interpreted as a prohibiton against war.

Prove it.

I don't think it's common knowledge, and I don't appreciate the personal attack.

I think he is most often depicted as my Savior. I also think he's depicted as both loving and wrathful, but my view doesn't matter here. Yours does.

I would love to your question premised on an acceptable truth. Unfortunately, the way this is going it looks like we'll both leave the thread empty handed.

You should be prepared to defend your premises.

Then we have a problem, don't we?

It's plausible.

Rev Prez

AdamWho

One things seems to be missing from this discussion. Most Christians (including GWB) are part of the Paulist branch of Christianity not the Jesus part. The explict teachings of Jesus (ex: turn the other cheek) have been sidelined for the structured, rule oriented teachings of Paul. Throw in a little tribalism and you have the religious right. This is not a no-true-scottsman type argument but an observation.