Chili

But that was Jesus speaking and that makes every Christian wrong before they even get started. Jesus is the way and Christ is the end, just as it was for Jesus who therefore never was called Christ until after the Resurrection.

Christ stayed and Jesus left so he could come back to show us the way (Jn.21:22).

noah

No idea what your point here is. The question remains can you prove Paul was inspired? I have shown that on three occasions he was not. If he is uninspired three times then it is logical to assume he is uninspired elsewhere. The question is where.

Putting words in my mouth doesn't help you. Taking you to task for your willful disobedience of your God's Laws is fair game. It doesn't make me an idolater of your God's Laws to point out your disobedience of them.

noah

Quoting these verse (below) doesn't get you out of answering my point above.
Second where have you posted these verses before? You have to prove I am ignoring them. I have not seen you post these verses before.

Now let's look at these verses.

But before we do lets' make sure we understand that God's eternal and perfect Laws must be followed, are life giving and are the key to salvation.

Ezekiel 18:21-22
Psalm 119:152-160
Mathew 5:17-20:

Matthew 12:50
Revelations 22:12
Revelation 22:14:
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
There are more verses like this but these will do for now.

Second of all let's review those verse which tell us that no man can die for the sins of another.
Deut. 24:16
2 Kings 14:6
Psalm 49:7-8
Jer. 31:30 Next, let's remember that the expected messiah as xians claim JC is, will be righteous and usher in an era of full Torah observance Jeremiah 33:15 Ezek 36:27
Ezek 37:24Next let's take our understanding of these verses regarding the Law of Gamera's God and the expected messiah to the verse Gamera cited below, keeping in mind that, as xians always tell us there are no flaws or inconsistencies anywhere in the bible.

Unless you are a closed minded xian this verse tells us nothing. A reasonably objective analysis of this verse leads us to the conclusion that this verse can mean many things or nothing at all.
First of all, what covenant? God already laid out his new covenant in Jer. 31:29-34. God states his New Covenant is based on his (eternal and perfect) Law and will be etched into the minds and hearts of men and that no man can die for the sins of another:

Second of all, who are the many? If JC is world saviour he needs to save more than the many. He needs to save all of us.
Thirdly, Gamera has not, with this one verse, given us the whole picture. In the Great Commission JC tells his disciple to teach people to do all the things that
he, JC, commanded the disciples to do:
Mathew 28:20Well, what id JC command the disciples to do? Who really knows? JC made no secret of the fact that he taught his disciples things he taught no one else.
But since JC is the expected messiah and by his own admission will conform to the Laws of Moses and the prophets (Luke 24:44), we can only assume that JC wants his disciples to teach observance of the commandments. We get a clearer picture of this in Mark's version of the Great Commission 16:15
What was the gospel? That observance of God's commandments is the key to salvation (Mathew 5:17-20).

No idea what this means as no prophets ever preached forgiveness of sins through a human blood sacrifice named JC. In fact, a as know, the expected messiah will be righteous and usher in an era of full Torah observance.

Forgiveness of what sins? Whose sins? The text doesn't tell us and is inconsistent with the rest of the Law and prophets

Offered by whom? No man can be made an atonement sacrifice for the sins of others as we have seen above.
Who would be waiting for him? Salvation is gained through observance of God's commandments.

noah

Oh my. Really Gamera. Denying reality does not make it go away.

Since you refuse to acknowledge the obvious I can only assume that you are not interested in serious debate. However, for the benefit of those who are genuinely I will post each passage in its entirety. Perhaps Gamera will respond properly if he is confronted with the verses here.
None of these verses make any mention about a saviour. All of these verses show that the Law of God saves and that no saviour is required. Let's start with Ezekiel 18:20-22
Psalm 119:144Psalm 119:152-160 Matthew 5:17-20Revelation 22:14

noah

Yes. The Law was given through Moses and it is eternal and perfect and applies to everyone. Does John have authority to overwrite God's Laws? Is John a member of the Trinity? Just curious.
Jesus says two things that you and John have to deal with both of them contradict John:

1) His Law lasts forever and provides salvation, Mathew 5:17-20 Revelations 22:12 for example.

2) JC says his word lasts forever (Matt. 24:35).
That means you have to obey God's Laws. Forever means forever. There is no changing what JC says here

You have another problem in this refuge you think you have with John: He didn't know what he was talking about. He was factually wrong about the God he says sent JC to save everyone. I don't know which god john was referring to but it is not the god he says it was: John 3:16 God has more than one son. In fact god has many sons as Job 1:6, Psalm 82:6. Adam is the son of god Luke 3:38, David was a son of god Psalm 2:7, Solomon was a son of god 1 Chron. 17:13 and Israel/Jacob is a son of god Exo 4:22.
So you tell me which god John thinks he's talking about Gamera?
Secondly, if John can't even get this one right, why on earth would you believe he has any credibility elsewhere?

Your next problem with John is that JC says he and his Father are one (John 10:30). That means JC stands for everything that God said about his eternal and unchanging Laws in Psalms, Deuteronomy and Jeremiah for example. We also know that your God forbid adding to or altering or diminishing His Law in any way Deuteronomy 4:2 and
Eccl 3:14
That means John is guilty of violating the Law of his God(s) Jesus and his Father. Saying grace and truth came through the JC and not the Law is profaning God's word. God's Law are truth Psalm 119:142
Saying that grace somehow replaced or supplanted God's perfect and eternal Laws is diminishing your God's Laws.

3) The law was not just given to Moses it was given and reaffirmed by JC your saviour (Mathew 5:17-20, Revelations 22:14) whose words last forever (Matt. 24:35).

4) God's Laws, the Laws JC upholds, are the duty of man - not faith in JC as a human blood sacrifice
Eccl 12:13
Your move.

noah

Nice try. That's not what I'm saying and you know it. Mathew 5:17-20 and Matt. 24:35 expose your and Paul's doctrine as bankrupt and unbiblical.
They do not mean only Jews can be saved and you know it. Jesus is your saviour, the saviour of the gentiles. that means anyone who obeys your God's Laws are saved. Period.


Psalm 103:8 gets you nowhere. Your God's mercy will not extend to your blatant wanton defiance of his Laws. You're not even trying to obey them. Worse, you profane them.

noah

What on earth this does for your argument is beyond me. I asked you a simple question: If JC/Yahweh were writing through Paul why would they become the thing they warned against? You said Paul was inspired.
(You have no proof but that was your statement. )

noah

I'm not ducking anything. Your fabrication of a timeline helps you not. Each time I post I respond to all your posts. This is falsely accusing me which violates Jesus' commands by the way. Oh right, I forgot. You worship Paul.

Soul Invictus

Romans 2:16 - In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel

2 Timothy 2:7-8 - Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel

Gal 1:11-12 - But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Now the "revelation" of Jesus Christ part sounds really good, but we're supposed to believe that a self-professed liar received the totality of the various Pauline doctrines in the brief episode of being blinded by the light? Riight.

To me, it is apparent that he clearly states that he chose to preach his gospel instead of preaching the gospel that Jesus and his disciples were preaching.

Gamera

You've changed topics again in order to avoid the fact that Jesus himself rebuts your claim that the law is perfect.

So I'll post it again so that everybody can see you are rebutted.

Matthew 19:8 - He said to them, "For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Mark 10:5 - But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment.

So much for your claim that the Law is perfect.

As to "proving" Paul was inspired, already dealt with that. When you "prove" any scripture is inspired, I"ll give you my proof. Of course there is no such proof, which violates faith.