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MrDarwin · 01-05-2005, 09:57 AM

It probably doesn't count as "sin" but I find especially amusing the story of Jesus getting hungry and looking for figs on a fig tree, then cursing the tree when it doesn't have any... because it wasn't the season for figs (which the story itself points out!). The fig tree dies, of course.

Clivedurdle · 01-05-2005, 10:13 AM

But it is definitely an eco crime - the lord of the universe ought to know better!

Twyll The ChyllTyran · 01-05-2005, 10:13 AM

jesus was the ultimate sinner.

i'll go more in depth at some other point of my life...

PEACE

Johnny Scholar · 01-05-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sensei Meela

But remember, Jesus owns all things (so he couldn't steal from himself, now, could he?), and even God works on Sabbath (no rest for the wicked, eh?)...

Jesus prided himself in owning nothing. The son of man has no place to lay his head, right?

Johnny Scholar · 01-05-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDarwin

It probably doesn't count as "sin" but I find especially amusing the story of Jesus getting hungry and looking for figs on a fig tree, then cursing the tree when it doesn't have any... because it wasn't the season for figs (which the story itself points out!). The fig tree dies, of course.

Poor fig tree. That's a sin, dude.

easychair · 01-05-2005, 02:54 PM

Jesus must have been susceptible to temptation or Satan wouldn't have tried to tempt him. So it follows that Jesus was capable of sinning.

He used human will power to resist temptation (particularly the temptation to break his fast) and when Satan finally left him he collapsed in exhaustion and the angels comforted him.

If Jesus wasn't able to be tested what good would his example be to sinners? It's a simple matter for a deity to overcome temptation or any other challenge (such as suffering on a cross) but a true "Son of Man" would have a much harder time of it.

Even as a boy I saw the tension between a Jesus who could be tempted and a Jesus who could perform miracles and rise from the dead. I much preferred the human side of Jesus.

Imagine Jesus as a severely psychotic man with delusions of messianic grandeur. At every turn he sees proof that he is the annointed one and his charisma and confidence inspires a small group of misfit followers who reinforce his delirius self image by asking him if he's the messiah.

Then the poor soul is finally arrested for blasphempy and other innappropriate behavior. Still, he's confident that his heavenly father will deliver him. But in the end, as he is about to give up the ghost, he realizes that he is not who he thought he was. He's just a crazy guy hanging on a cross.

Which would have been worse for him? The physical pain of crucifixion or the loss of his divine identity?

If this had happened it would have been a story worth recording and remembering. And for the sake of Jesus, the suffering hero, it would have been a story worth embellishing.

Boomeister · 01-05-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Twyll The ChyllTyran

jesus was the ultimate sinner.

i'll go more in depth at some other point of my life...

PEACE

Please, go more in depth. I would love to hear it.

Boomeister

Twyll The ChyllTyran · 01-07-2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomeister

Please, go more in depth. I would love to hear it.

Boomeister

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=111413
^there you go...

PEACE

Boomeister · 01-15-2005, 10:08 AM

Since this thread got split, it kind of got lost.
So, I thought I would revive it again.

Anybody else want to comment on Jesus being a sinner?

Boomeister

LeeBuhrul · 01-16-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomeister

There are incidences in the bible that make me question Jesus' perfection, as professed by Christians.
Assuming the biblical accounts of Jesus are true, Jesus' character seemed flawed, even though he might've been more advanced than the average person living at that time.
He didn't always honor the Sabbath; he did not always honor his mother; he destroyed property (the pigs; the tables in the Temple); he lied about going to the feast; he seemed cocky when he said "let the dead bury their dead" and uncompassionate towards the man whose family member died; he seemed cocky when the poor woman was putting oil on his feet and he said "the poor will always be around." He did not seem to know his mission- did he just come for the sick; just for the Jew? He told the believers before ascending that they would perform wonders greater than his, although that doesn't seem to be the case. Etc. etc.
Any other examples?

Boomeister

Mary Magdalene would know best...

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01-05-2005, 09:57 AM	#11
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	It probably doesn't count as "sin" but I find especially amusing the story of Jesus getting hungry and looking for figs on a fig tree, then cursing the tree when it doesn't have any... because it wasn't the season for figs (which the story itself points out!). The fig tree dies, of course.

01-05-2005, 10:13 AM	#12
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	But it is definitely an eco crime - the lord of the universe ought to know better!

01-05-2005, 10:13 AM	#13
Twyll The ChyllTyran Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 138	jesus was the ultimate sinner. i'll go more in depth at some other point of my life... PEACE

01-05-2005, 02:54 PM	#16
easychair Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 404	Jesus must have been susceptible to temptation or Satan wouldn't have tried to tempt him. So it follows that Jesus was capable of sinning. He used human will power to resist temptation (particularly the temptation to break his fast) and when Satan finally left him he collapsed in exhaustion and the angels comforted him. If Jesus wasn't able to be tested what good would his example be to sinners? It's a simple matter for a deity to overcome temptation or any other challenge (such as suffering on a cross) but a true "Son of Man" would have a much harder time of it. Even as a boy I saw the tension between a Jesus who could be tempted and a Jesus who could perform miracles and rise from the dead. I much preferred the human side of Jesus. Imagine Jesus as a severely psychotic man with delusions of messianic grandeur. At every turn he sees proof that he is the annointed one and his charisma and confidence inspires a small group of misfit followers who reinforce his delirius self image by asking him if he's the messiah. Then the poor soul is finally arrested for blasphempy and other innappropriate behavior. Still, he's confident that his heavenly father will deliver him. But in the end, as he is about to give up the ghost, he realizes that he is not who he thought he was. He's just a crazy guy hanging on a cross. Which would have been worse for him? The physical pain of crucifixion or the loss of his divine identity? If this had happened it would have been a story worth recording and remembering. And for the sake of Jesus, the suffering hero, it would have been a story worth embellishing.

01-15-2005, 10:08 AM	#19
Boomeister Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Big State in the South Posts: 448	Since this thread got split, it kind of got lost. So, I thought I would revive it again. Anybody else want to comment on Jesus being a sinner? Boomeister

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