|  | Freethought & Rationalism ArchiveThe archives are read only. | 
| 
 | |||||||
|  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | 
|  01-24-2011, 06:44 PM | #11 | 
| Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area 
					Posts: 40,549
				 |   
			
			Per Mark, Jesus was offered sour wine with myrrh before the crucifixion, which would theoretically have acted as a painkiller. He refused, maybe because he needed to suffer. He was later offered sour wine with gall [bitter herbs, such as are used at the Passover feast] when he was on the cross. The gospels differ on whether he drank the last wine or not.
		 | 
|   | 
|  01-24-2011, 06:50 PM | #12 | 
| Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa 
					Posts: 9,337
				 |   
			
			But only the Catholics claimed Jesus 'suffered.'  Even Origen squirms when this nonsense is brought up.  The heretics disputed that Jesus suffered in the Passion.  The proper etymology is properly from the Aramaic yetzer (notsri = 'the transformed') and why Christians are called notsri in the rabbinic literature.
		 | 
|   | 
|  01-25-2011, 07:50 AM | #13 | |
| Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta 
					Posts: 11,885
				 |   Quote: 
 The suffering is where the rising action takes a stand in anticipation of the crisis moment that either becomes a tragedy on the stake or a comedy on the cross. | |
|   | 
|  01-25-2011, 05:00 PM | #14 | ||
| Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta 
					Posts: 11,885
				 |   Quote: 
 | ||
|   | 
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread | 
| 
 |