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Old 01-24-2011, 06:44 PM   #11
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So what, exactly, was Jesus supposedly offered? wine with gall, wine with myrrh, sour wine with something, sour wine alone? something else?
Per Mark, Jesus was offered sour wine with myrrh before the crucifixion, which would theoretically have acted as a painkiller. He refused, maybe because he needed to suffer. He was later offered sour wine with gall [bitter herbs, such as are used at the Passover feast] when he was on the cross. The gospels differ on whether he drank the last wine or not.
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But only the Catholics claimed Jesus 'suffered.' Even Origen squirms when this nonsense is brought up. The heretics disputed that Jesus suffered in the Passion. The proper etymology is properly from the Aramaic yetzer (notsri = 'the transformed') and why Christians are called notsri in the rabbinic literature.
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But only the Catholics claimed Jesus 'suffered.' Even Origen squirms when this nonsense is brought up. The heretics disputed that Jesus suffered in the Passion. The proper etymology is properly from the Aramaic yetzer (notsri = 'the transformed') and why Christians are called notsri in the rabbinic literature.
He suffered because involutionary revolt (insurrection) must always precede this kind of crisis moment to bring about change in the transformation. To call it transformation is to miss the efficient cause of the final cause. The 'stand' here is the final stand that brings about "parousia" and for that our "ousia's" are the ransom offered to be transformed.

The suffering is where the rising action takes a stand in anticipation of the crisis moment that either becomes a tragedy on the stake or a comedy on the cross.
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But only the Catholics claimed Jesus 'suffered.' Even Origen squirms when this nonsense is brought up. The heretics disputed that Jesus suffered in the Passion. The proper etymology is properly from the Aramaic yetzer (notsri = 'the transformed') and why Christians are called notsri in the rabbinic literature.
He suffered because involutionary revolt (insurrection) must always precede this kind of crisis moment to bring about change in the transformation. To call it transformation is to miss the efficient cause of the final cause. The 'stand' here is the final stand that brings about "parousia" and for that our "ousia's" are the ransom offered to be transformed.

The suffering is where the rising action takes a stand in anticipation of the crisis moment that either becomes a tragedy on the stake or a comedy on the cross.
. . . or should that read 'at the stake' instead of on.
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