J-D

That you're not answering my questions about the basis for your position.How does it follow logically?

aa5874

IF JESUS WAS HUMAN AND DID DIE, IT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS THAT IT IS EXPECTED THE DISCIPLES MUST HAVE KNOWN OR FOUND OUT THAT HE DID NOT RESURRECT.

GO FIGURE!

J-D

No, it doesn't logically figure.

I know, and you know, that it is not possible for dead people to come back to life, but that doesn't change the fact that some people believe it is possible. You cannot prove by logic that everybody knows that dead people do not come back to life. In fact, not everybody does know that.

aa5874

You CANNOT prove OR CANNOT show that I must be wrong when I say that IF JESUS WAS HUMAN AND DID DIE, IT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS THAT IT IS EXPECTED THE DISCIPLES MUST HAVE KNOWN OR FOUND OUT THAT HE DID NOT RESURRECT.

You are simply wasting time.

J-D

There is no logical contradiction between the statement 'Jesus was human and died' and the statement 'the disciples of Jesus did not know that he did not resurrect'. There is never a logical contradiction between a statement of the form 'X did not happen' and the statement 'Y did not know that X did not happen'.

aa5874

Once Jesus was human and TAUGHT his disciples that he would be raised from the dead on the THIRD DAY and he did die, it LOGICALLY follows that it is expected that the disciples must have known or found out that he did not resurrect.

This a fundamental logical and natural expectation.

Doug Shaver

No, it's not.

I've taken three college-level logic courses. How many have you taken?

DNAReplicator

For the sake of pointless argument, lets say that the following is what actually took place.

1. Jesus taught his disciples he would be raised from the dead.
2. Jesus was crucified and removed from the cross unconcious, but alive.
3. Jesus was taken to his tomb, where he later regains conciousness.
4. Jesus assumes that he has been raised from the dead, and that he has fulfilled his own prophesy
5. Jesus meets with his disciples, and is seen alive by other witnesses, who then also believe that Jesus has fulfilled his prophecy.

As far as I can tell, the above is pretty consistant with the events related in the NT stories. And yet in this scenario, both Jesus and the disciples could not be reasonably expected to know that Jesus did not resurrect from the dead. In fact paraphrasing your own post

"it LOGICALLY follows that it is not expected that the disciples could have known or found out that he did not resurrect."

I know your usual debating tactic would be to turn this around, and demand to know why I believe this version of events. So let me say at the outset that I do not know if this version of events is right or wrong. My point is that, you don't know either, however much you claim otherwise.

aa5874

Please read my post extremely carefully.

In my proposition JESUS DID DIE.

You may have to make some other proposal where Jesus did die.

aa5874

So, are you implying that you got 100% from start to finish for all of your "three college-level logic courses?

Are you implying that you did not get any thing wrong or did not encounter any problems with logics?

These questions MUST LOGICALLY follow.