miata

One thing I do know is we need not tell them the truth. Many come here to try to preach so I have found it best to ignore them; I just saw the ad to ignore list and I have had a great time clicking away. I know it will take a while but I love it.

Chili

The nice thing about this BB is that you don't get kicked off for saying it as you see it. It is as if nobody has anything to lose and that is how thoughts can be explained.

Stacey Melissa

I think you already know the answer to that. If there were actually good evidence for believing in gods, then religious people would just list off those evidences when trying to convince you of the truth of their religion, instead of telling you to have faith.

Oh, and perhaps I'm being nitpicky here, but I think it would be wiser to ask for evidence of gods rather than proof.

Kassiana

Is there any proof of a God other than blind FAITH??
--No.

Chili

But if faith can get us into heaven where we can be God, or in hell where we can only be touched by God from a distance, you can't really blame God or faith for that but the only the method that got you there. Faith is only blind because we don't see things cleary because the only place where there is no faith is in heaven (which is a state of mind, as you may have noticed).

Pseudointellectual

with my mastercard?

but seriously, i'm prone to believe that evidentiary justification of God is quite unecessary since religion is very much like art, in the sense that it just lets people express what they value or what they think is beautiful. though this view might reduce knowledge claims made by religions to meaninglessness.

but then it might be quite hard to just live and let live with people of "blind faith" when some of them are trying to kill you...

Chili

. . . perhaps but if artistic expression is a gift of God it will be the artless that are trying to kill each other. This would be an argument in favor of blind faith because only those with a faith based on reason are doing the killing these days.

Pseudointellectual

oh please. i don't think it's that easy to forget 9/11. now those suicide bombers have faith that can move mountains (and can blow them up too while they're at it).

as i said before, religion is largely a matter of opinion. and as long as your opinion doesn't kill me or infringe on my rights to hold my opinions then i really have no problem with people of "blind faith".

Chili

But I don't disagree with you. Those suicide bombers did not have blind faith for they knew exactly how to do what they did and the reason why they did it. They were motivated by reason that was based on a misunderstanding of their faith.

They belong to a 'rational religion' instead of 'blind faith' religion and I think that such a distinction can be made. We have the same split in America between different religions, eg. Catholics and some Christian fundamentalist (and admittedly there have been fundamentalists groups in Catholicism but they were always surpressed or excommunicated). I once read that this same split can be found in all or most religions around the world.

Godless Wonder

There are many, subtler, yet still substantial ways that the blindly faithful harm you that don't involve killing you or infringing on your rights to arrive at your own conclusions based on the information of which you're aware. You're ok with that?

If there were such a thing as a sin, faith would be at the top of the list.