IamJoseph

One thing the Hebrew bible does NOT do is hide any negatives - to the extent almost all charges on the Jews is derived by quoting the texts. It is a factor which distinguishes the Hebrew from other candy coated scriptures. You have given no evidences of human sacrifices, which the Hebrew bible is the first to forbid - which would have been very difficult in the surroundings of a humanity obsessed with this practice.




Why not posit another earlier culture displaying monotheism? Judaism has hard copy evidence it was at all times monotheistic, had numerous wars on this premise, and displayed harsh charges on any failings of this pivotal factor.

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The Deuteronomistic History as much as admits that such gods, and the cultic appurtenances characteristic of their cults, stemmed from the earliest moments of Israel's life in Canaan.

The beliefs of the non-hebrew Canaanites was polytheistic, same as with Egypt, which was a kin of the canaanites. But the Hebrews stood out in Egypt as different in belief and language. The texts also says the non-hebrew canaanites did not practice circumsizion - which was the mark of the monotheistic covenant. Clearly, you have omitted the blatant differences and made unsustainable conjectures as fact.

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And the attribution of Deuteronomy to Moses represents an attempt to manufacture a tradition, of alienation from all gods other than Yhwh, that is older than memory itself - older than the memories of "other gods" who were Israelite gods, who were, in the traditional understanding, a part of Yhwh's heavenly court.

The introduction of monotheism is not an attempt to manufacture - this is the first time this premise was seen in history. There are a host of firsts here - all animal rights laws also come from the Hebrew bible - a clear pointer that all life forms are regarded in a monotheistic belief.

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Revolutionaries, like Jeremiah and H(Dtr), lack historical perspective. Whether pretending to be reactionaries, restoring humankind to a primitive Garden of Eden,

That is not a primitive story. Many have no understanding of this story, nor do they appreciate the intricate comprehension required to decipher its meanings. Q: If you profess to call this report primitive - where do you think exactly does the Garden of Eden occur?

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or whether posing as social engineers, murdering, by the guillotine or by some less violent form of attrition the resistant membership of some former governing class, such world-makers theoretically demonize their opponents' customs, without placing them in a context. This sort of adolescent idealism, unnuanced by an interest in actual observation, invariably breaks down when its adherents achieve power: the result is a terror concentrated on consolidating the power of the Party. Josiah supplied such a terror, an extended attack on the institutions and regalia of traditional culture in Judah and Samaria. Monotheistic purists, in love with the theory of a unified, rather than multifarious, reality, ultimately had to slay the demons of other divinities than Yhwh. Not ironically, to slay those demons, they had to demonize their own history.

There is no history of the Hebrews demanding others follow its belief - at least not outside its own land, and only in ancient periods. Compared to Christianity and Islam, for example - there is a clear opposiite history here, yet you see fit to pick on a scripture which says the reverse.

IamJoseph

There are no laws from outside of the five Mosaic books, which contain 613 mandated laws. No prophet after Moses made any laws.

IamJoseph

Not it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Gospels. Nor was there a trial, nor any Judas conspiring: where is your proof?

The story of Joseph is directed at the bondage of 400 years foretold to Abraham, and that Joseph was the instrument which would make this occur and also instigate the exodus of freedom. This is what is declared by Joseph in the text as the reason he was cast out.

The obsession to connect everything to the Gospels, and disregard anything which cannot be connected - is a notorious practice in Christianity. The Pope also finally renounced this doctrine, admitting the Jews have their own independent path and are not under the NT doctrines. If Jews were to be ruled by Christian doctrines - they would not be around today: they returned while Europe was obsessed in their destruction:

'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO *THEIR HOMELAND* BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS' - Pope Pius' genocidal doctrine declared during the Holocaust.

semiopen

You're disrupting the flow of this thread.

I don't know anything about Judaism, but even I know that. I also know that eating chicken cheese bugers is not prohibited by Mosaic law, just like human sacrifice. Why don't you just read the posts and try to learn something?

ph2ter

IamJoseph,
When you commented the statements which I presented in my post above in Italic, you are actually responding to the Baruch Halpern's statements which he gave in his book "From Gods to God: Dynamics of Iron Age Cosmologies" on page 96. Baruch Halpern is the Chaiken Family Chair in Jewish Studies at Pennsylvania State University, Professor of Ancient History, Classics and Ancient Mediterranean Studies, and Religious Studies. I do not feel the need to defend him because his book does that pretty well.

Regarding Jesus and the Gospels, my position is that the Gospel story is not real and is inspired by the Hebrew Bible.

IamJoseph

I am reading and responding with contextual quotes - like quoting Jeremia as the innovator of laws, and connecting Joseph to a scripture which emerged in opposition to all the Hebrew laws 2000 years later - with no imprints of Hebrew beliefs. What's to learn from such wild statements?

IamJoseph

The Greeks were first inspired by the Hebrew, but were unable to conform with its strict requirements. The NT was not a Pauline premise but a Greek one, stemming from centuries of wars between the Greeks and the Jews. We have no proof Paul wrote what is subscribed to him - but we do have proof of pre-christian Greek archives.

Iwasn't responding to Halpen, but what was said of the Hebrew bible, and that was not correct.

IamJoseph

That is a totally ridiculous conclusion. Human sacrifices have nothing to do with a body torn to pieces - being attacked and killed by a wild animal does. What's next - that there is no agenda against the jews in European Christianity - are Jews not born of the devil - you think!

ph2ter

I have nothing against Jews. You are totally incapable to understand my line of thoughts.

ph2ter

It needs lengthy elaboration.
The blood of circumcision functions within the larger redacted story of Moses and Pharaoh as a prototype of the blood of the lamb.