Bible John

Just as long as you correct some of the grammar errors I made.

Bible John

All of you know who Jason Gastrich is. Do you think I am more of a fundementalist?


John

seebs

Please do. It pleases me to see sincere efforts to spread the Gospel.

Really? At what point will He be leaving me?

What will come between us?

The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans, Chapter 8, Verses 38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Looks like nothing.

Well, then I should be covered, because He seems to be working on it even now.

Of course not. But works can be an expression of my salvation. Without works, faith is dead. If you are not regularly out there showing real compassion and mercy to people who are suffering, then how can we know your faith?

If by "reject" you mean "build your entire life around following", then I can see how you feel this applies to Mormons, but I don't see how it leaves them without Jesus. I have known some Mormons. They have the Holy Spirit. They follow Jesus. I do not need to agree with them to see this in them.

But I am concerned, because you have described yourself as having a faith which is not merely dead, having no works to show, but which prides itself in its rejection of the very testimony to the faith that is supposed to be our distinguishing characteristic. What is this "faith" which manifests itself in judgment (in direct rejection of the command Jesus gave us not to judge the salvation of others), but not in corporal works of mercy?

Your witness is unpersuasive. How could someone look at the testimony you bring and conclude that you are an emissary of a perfectly loving God? You sound like an emissary of a worldly church that favors doctrinal purity over obedience. Orthodoxy without orthopraxy is meaningless; the Pharisees had perfect orthodoxy, and I don't think it was enough.

seebs

May I ask, then, if we are the wolves, and you the sheep, whose teeth rend whose flesh, and why this should be so? Eat what you must, but I do not think I am the carnivore in this picture.

seebs

I see where the confusion comes from! You are worried that, because we give away our Gospel, and do not keep our God on a tight leash, He might escape us. You needn't worry. As of yet, no one has run out of Jesus just by giving away the Gospel.

seebs

I do not think you a fundamentalist in the formal sense, because you are rejecting the very fundamentals of the faith, replacing faithfulness with empty assent.

Faith without works is dead. As St. Francis said, preach the Gospel always, use words when necessary. If you wish to be a witness to us, start by showing us how the absolute and unconditional love of Jesus manifests through you.

I can find members of a dozen religions who will threaten me with eternal punishment if I do not adopt their beliefs, and who will place themselves between me and God as arbiters. It's nothing special. There is no good news here; there is only another rules-based system for placating an angry God by following meaningless rituals. Believe X and Y, do the little dance, say the magic words; we have a tame God who will save you because we can show you the words and beliefs that will force God to save you. Seen it, thought about it, decided not to go there.

If Jesus was God, then all of this rigamarole is a stumbling-block, and one you should not place in front of others. If Jesus was not God, you have nothing to sell me.

Nice Squirrel

Notice who is missing, but He was Jewish.

Jack the Bodiless

Heheh.

I wonder what upset him so? :sneaky:

Bible John

Didn't you ask for christian people role models?

Bible John

Seebs I pray for you. I do not know if you are saved or not, but such a believe as works is more important than the truth is very damming.


John