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Old 02-06-2006, 06:06 PM   #31
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But if Jesus were truly God incarnate, it would not be so understandable if he believed what we now know to be falsehoods.
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But if Jesus were truly God incarnate, it would not be so understandable if he believed what we now know to be falsehoods.
If he were God Incarnate he would not believe falsehoods.
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I don't believe that a woman turned to salt, that demons exist, or that a worldwide flood occurred. My point was that it is understandable that Jesus, living when he did, would believe such things. Just because he believed something doesn't mean that it is true.
How much of waht we believe to be true is because we are a product of our times?
In x years no doubt people will wonder why we believed y.
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We seemed to have moved of the original OP.
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But if Jesus were truly God incarnate, it would not be so understandable if he believed what we now know to be falsehoods.
Of course I agree.

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How much of waht we believe to be true is because we are a product of our times?
Probably most of it. People used to "know" many things that have since been disproven.

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In x years no doubt people will wonder why we believed y.
Undoubtedly this is the case. "You mean they believed that in 2006."
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But if Jesus were truly God incarnate, it would not be so understandable if he believed what we now know to be falsehoods.
Of course, the very most we could say is that the writers of the gospels might have believed the stories of Adam and Eve, Noah's, Flood, and the big fish swallowing Jonah.

But let's pretend Jesus was real, and let us pretend even more that the gospel writers faithfully transmitted the words of Jesus, that still doesn't give us a clue as to what Jesus may have actually thought of those stories. We still wouldn't know if he actually believed in them. The creators of the Jesus hero consistently showed him to use stories to illustrate a point. Should we think that Jesus believed his own made up stories were true? We are still left with no evidence of what verisimilitude those stories held for Jesus even if we accept his historicity. If an imaginary hero believes in an imaginary event, I wonder if two negatives make a positive?
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How much of waht we believe to be true is because we are a product of our times?
In x years no doubt people will wonder why we believed y.
Tigers,
check out "The Floods" thread...Floods did happen, but the story in the Bible
is mythological. There are literally hundreds of flood stories!
The point of all this is not "to take you down", it is to find the truth,the most accurate facts.
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For reference, stories of the FLOOD around the world:

www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
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Many in Europe were suprised when WWII occured but they had plenty of warning.
Those who issued the warnings had some arguments in their support. Many people found the arguments unpersuasive, but at least there was some factual evidence about which people could have some disagreement.

Now, when Noah said to his neighbors, "God told me that he is going to flood the world and kill every living thing on it except for whatever and whoever I take aboard this boat I am building," what evidence do you suppose he had to offer anyone who might have thought he was imagining things?
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Those who issued the warnings had some arguments in their support. Many people found the arguments unpersuasive, but at least there was some factual evidence about which people could have some disagreement.

Now, when Noah said to his neighbors, "God told me that he is going to flood the world and kill every living thing on it except for whatever and whoever I take aboard this boat I am building," what evidence do you suppose he had to offer anyone who might have thought he was imagining things?
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