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residentearth · 09-06-2005, 05:00 PM

Survey Highlights Concerns with Christian Interpretation of New Orleans Disaster

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BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - September 7 - The Universist Movement is raising concern with the overwhelming opinion of Christian leaders on the destruction of New Orleans. A variety of mainstream Christian voices ranging from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary to the Archdiocese of New Orleans are united in the opinion that Hurricane Katrina was the will of God. Russell Moore, Dean of Southern Seminary, interprets the Hurricane as part of God's curse of Eden and cites ominous words from Revelations that declare "nothing unclean will ever enter [Heaven]." "The hope," Moore writes "is for Biloxi, Miss., and all of the created universe, to be redeemed and restored in Christ. There will come a day when the curse is reversed, and the Gulf Coast along with the entire cosmos fully reflects the glory of a resurrected Messiah." Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes has said "I'm convinced that God is going to purify us through this."

The Universist Movement has conducted a wide-ranging survey of sermons from Sunday September 4, 2005. The survey reveals a pervasive consensus of opinion across the breadth of Christendom. A few examples among thousands of sermons follow:

J. Edward Norton, Independent Presbyterian Church, Memphis, Tennessee
Norton quoted Charles Haddon Spurgeon, who said "happy storm that wrecks us on such a rock as this. Oh blessed Hurricane that drives the soul to God and God alone.... The Lord will magnify his might in the midst of your distress."

Mark Chanski, Reformed Baptist Church, Holland, Michigan:
"I believe that there is a message from God brought to light in every dark providence" Chanski told his church. This disaster represents "the blast of God's judgment against sin." Chanski cited the Southern Decadence Festival as an example of New Orleans' sin. "The trumpets of God that are sounded throughout history are warning blasts, birth pangs about the arrival of the final ultimate birth and letting out of the wrath of God. Birth pangs are present here."

Ian Brown, Londonderry Free Presbyterian Church, Northern Ireland:
"If Hurricane Katrina was a contest between the power of God and the power of man, there has only been one winner." God punished the pollution of man, Brown preached. "It is an accepted fact that New Orleans was the most decadent large city in America. Politicians often referred to it as a banana republic, a city that thrived on corruption. It held several events each year celebrating undiluted sensual pleasure. People traveled in from far and wide to participate in the debauchery and the festivals that were held there. They celebrated the worst in human nature, and numbing ordinary sensibilities."

Chris Hodges, Church of the Highlands, Birmingham, Alabama:
"If there's ever been a city that's needed to be swept clean of the sin and the wickedness it's New Orleans," preached Chris Hodges, "and it's those gambling casinos along the gulf coast. And I'll tell ya, I think there's a shakin' goin' on that God's gonna use to bring us to a new day. I'm praying for revival, and I'm encouraging you the church - lift up your heads, don't be discouraged, this is our finest hour. This is what Christians do best."

Steve Wilkins, Auburn Avenue Presbyterian Church, Monroe, Louisiana:
"God is the ruler of the storm" Wilkins preached. He cited Psalm 127:25, "He commands and raises the stormy wind which lifts up the waves of the sea." Wilkins said, "It's only when you've got a problem, it's only when God sends trouble, that you learn that you need to pray to Him."

Alfred C. Hughes, Archbishop, Archdiocese of New Orleans:
"I'm convinced that God is going to purify us through this."

James E. Adams, Cornerstone Church, Mesa, Arizona:
"The voice of the Lord, seven times the voice of the Lord, echoes down through this storm, and God's power is made known right before us here."

Bob Vincent, Grace Presbyterian Church, Alexandria, Louisiana:
"If we will not be enlightened by the light of Christ, we will be consumed by the chaos of pagan darkness.... No aspect of our nature has escaped the influence of sin."

Alan Dunn, Grace Covenant Baptist Church, Flemington, New Jersey:
"As we near the time of the second coming, we are to anticipate that there will be an increase of these dynamics, and we'll see many people believing in false religion - so much so, that Jesus asks the question in Luke 18:8 'When the son of man comes, will the find the Faith on the earth?'"

A.T. Stewart, Westside Baptist Church, Mableton, Georgia:
"As wicked as New Orleans is, I don't think it's any more wicked than Atlanta, New York, or San Francisco. But what I do believe, is that this destruction is God's call on this nation to repent." "Do we think we can continue to flaunt our sins before God and murder over a million unborn children every year? And flaunt immorality and sinfulness, and pornography all over the Internet, do we think we can continue to do this and God's just going to weep and look the other way?"

Tim Bourgeois, Tree of Life Christian Church, Canoga Park, California:
"When there are storm winds, they don't just meet because a low pressure area happens to meet with a high pressure area in the upper atmosphere and suddenly this wind just randomly, naturally occurs, and waters randomly fall along with it. This is God's word at work in the midst of his creation." Bourgeois preached that the Hurricane was God's judgment, and that those still alive have been spared by God's mercy, and Christians need to take this opportunity to convert them.

David Harrell, Calvary Bible Church, Joelton, Tennessee:
"America flaunts her sin in the face of a holy God. Ours is a culture of religious hypocrisy. Ours is a culture in defiance of God's holy law. There is a disbelief in our society that God will ever judge, and certainly there is the utter rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ and his word. Like those who refused to heed the warning to flee the wrath of the hurricane, I fear that millions continue to turn a deaf ear to creatures who beg them to repent, to flee from the wrath to come, the wrath of holy God, an eternal wrath, that will utterly eclipse what we saw with Katrina."

The survey did uncover several sermons insisting God has nothing to do with the weather. However, the rare laissez-faire theologians are no match for the overwhelming consensus of the Christian community and the Bible itself. There is a point at which liberal Christians must recognize they are not Christian at all - and that's a good thing. Universists argue that the problem is not God's control of the weather, but with a religion that lends itself so easily to such interpretation. This is 2005, but Christianity's variety of denominations were unified this week in thought circa 1205.

New Orleans was one of the world's great cities. It had problems that were the proper province of public policy and social science to address, like any city. But the condemnation of New Orleans across the Christian community highlights the distrust for human creativity, culture and passion that comes from giving so much honor and respect to a select few ancient texts. The world has moved on since the dawn of Christianity and its heights in the Dark Ages. The Christian response to the loss of New Orleans represents the failure of an outdated system of thought to understand the value and meaning of one of the modern world's most precious jewels.

The Universist Movement is an international organization focused on individual well being, social progress, and the promotion of existential questioning.

EverLastingGodStopper · 09-06-2005, 05:05 PM

Moved from PA&SA to GRD.

CaptDave · 09-06-2005, 06:12 PM

This is a good thing. When ever the fundies expose themselves like this as the wingnuts they are, they shoot themselves in the foot. They push the mainstream further away from their insanity.

Colander of Truth · 09-06-2005, 09:40 PM

All of these sermons appear to answer the question: where does God come from?

Tailpipes. These contribute to global warming which of course makes the hurricanes.

MonCapitan2002 · 09-06-2005, 09:58 PM

I stopped reading the quotes. Thay are all equally disturbing. I think the people who made those comments are really, really sick in the head.

proudliberal · 09-07-2005, 01:06 AM

I cant wait till the hurricane hits virginia beach virginia home of pat robertson.

thegdin · 09-07-2005, 02:00 AM

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People traveled in from far and wide to participate in the debauchery and the festivals that were held there. They celebrated the worst in human nature, and numbing ordinary sensibilities."

this is a good one. these people, excuse me, sinners, travel from far and wide to celebrate the "worst in human nature."

soooo, god goes ahead and waits 'til they all go back to where they came from so he can kill all the poor people who are left behind. oh the lord works in mysterious ways,,, the evil bastard.

:huh:

post tenebras lux · 09-07-2005, 02:25 AM

Any chance for a linky to the original news article? It's the sort of thing I'd like to forward to liberal christians who are in denial about the sentiments of their less liberal brethren.

Thanks

Luxie

Hawkeye · 09-07-2005, 02:32 AM

Well, if you believe in an omnimax God you'll have to explain natural disasters like hurricanes one way or another. In a twisted way, these explanations makes sense given the worldview these ministers share. It's "nice" to see the oddities of Christian theology presented so succinctly.

FRC · 09-07-2005, 03:13 AM

I guess what disturbs me is the way that these people wield God like a weapon. It's obvious that they represent a religious sentiment that is extremely angry at the rest of society and at a world that they do not understand. I guess that these preachers feel that these remarks will play well with their followings that thirst for moral and spiritual superiority.

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09-06-2005, 05:05 PM	#2
EverLastingGodStopper Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 16,665	Moved from PA&SA to GRD.

09-06-2005, 06:12 PM	#3
CaptDave Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 201	This is a good thing. When ever the fundies expose themselves like this as the wingnuts they are, they shoot themselves in the foot. They push the mainstream further away from their insanity.

09-06-2005, 09:40 PM	#4
Colander of Truth Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sri Dunka .... Donut: Cruller w/Jimmies Posts: 2,710	All of these sermons appear to answer the question: where does God come from? Tailpipes. These contribute to global warming which of course makes the hurricanes.

09-06-2005, 09:58 PM	#5
MonCapitan2002 Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: --- Posts: 10,496	I stopped reading the quotes. Thay are all equally disturbing. I think the people who made those comments are really, really sick in the head.

09-07-2005, 01:06 AM	#6
proudliberal Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 3,827	I cant wait till the hurricane hits virginia beach virginia home of pat robertson.

09-07-2005, 02:25 AM	#8
post tenebras lux Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Republic and Canton of Geneva Posts: 5,756	Any chance for a linky to the original news article? It's the sort of thing I'd like to forward to liberal christians who are in denial about the sentiments of their less liberal brethren. Thanks Luxie

09-07-2005, 02:32 AM	#9
Hawkeye Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 806	Well, if you believe in an omnimax God you'll have to explain natural disasters like hurricanes one way or another. In a twisted way, these explanations makes sense given the worldview these ministers share. It's "nice" to see the oddities of Christian theology presented so succinctly.

09-07-2005, 03:13 AM	#10
FRC Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Abbotsford, BC Canada Posts: 49	I guess what disturbs me is the way that these people wield God like a weapon. It's obvious that they represent a religious sentiment that is extremely angry at the rest of society and at a world that they do not understand. I guess that these preachers feel that these remarks will play well with their followings that thirst for moral and spiritual superiority.

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