Huon

http://www.sahihalbukhari.com/sps/sbk/

Sahih al Bukhari Volume 6. The Book of the Virtues of the Quraan.

Hadeeth No. 4662 - Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Sura which I heard you reciting?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me." I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle has taught it to me in a different way from yours." So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said (to Allah's Apostle),
"I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!" On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him, (O 'Umar!) Recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way," and added, "Recite, O 'Umar!" I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you)."

elevator

Thanks alot. My cable schedule shows the same time; I'll set my DVR.

Roger Pearse

Um. But what are we looking at here? What date, and what is its status?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Huon

'Umar bin Al-Khattab was the second Sunni Caliph (634 – 644) after Abū Bakr (632-634).
Al Bukhari (810-870) is the guy who saw the guy who saw the guy ... who saw the bear. Looks like Eusebius.

Roger Pearse

I'm afraid that I think we should be very, very sceptical about this 'quote' until we are rather more clear as to where it comes from etc.

Agenda07

I think I originally read it in Ibn Warraq's Why I am not a Muslim, but Stephen Carr has an article on the Qur'an:

It seems I was wrong about the number of contemporary readings though: there are two rather than three (I think the third one I was thinking of is used by a niche sect and is frowned upon by most Muslims).

Roger Pearse

Thank you for this, but I'm afraid that this is all just hearsay, tho. We need primary sources, I think.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Johnny Skeptic

How many references can you list where what the Gospel writers wrote was not hearsay evidence?

Isn't it true that the vast majority of the Gospels is hearsay evidence?

elevator

Well, I finally saw it. I thought it was a pretty good program too. It talked about both the good and bad. It talked about how even the Quran (despite its claim to perfection) is subject to ambiguous interpretation, that several groups of faith have emerged, and that believers have a wide range of view on the use of violence and the view on women within the faith. It talks about how much of the violence within the Quran has either contemporary roots or pre-historic roots that predate the mediation of the Quran from God to Muhammad - and about how the Jihadist interpretation is imposed onto the Islamic community by a few powerful clerics; mainly from Saudi Arabia and Iran. It also presented information about the oldest version of the Quran ever found; in which it is apparently quite evident that the Quran has not been preserved in its pure form as allegedly mediated to Muhammad directly from God - and that this version paints less of a militant picture of the faith. The program admits, though, that these text have yet to be properly examined and analyzed.

Of course, whether or not the text's original intention was religious conversion of the world to Islam through military force and social and political integration; doesn't change the fact that the Islamic faith, as it is today, does not appear to be peaceful at all.

Vampyroteuthis

Yes, I thought it was an good program too. Far better than some of the stuff they have on there. I actually downloaded an electronic Quran that is very interesting to read. It's really a nice little program, they should make one for the bible too and maybe Lord of the Rings.

Glad you got to see it too!