Biblo

I don't know any skeptical scholars who deny Jesus was a real person.

spin

Do you believe everything you read? Please read some of the Quran before replying.


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Biblo

I reject the Koran because it said Jesus didn't die on the cross.

spin

Yeah and lots of scholars voted for George Bush. Arguments based on numbers and authorities are no help to you.

Were King Arthur and Robin Hood real people? Can you answer? Sometimes you don't have enough historical information, as is the case with Jesus. The bible is a collection of traditions and theologians are welcome to their apologetically based opinions, but they aren't historians.


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spin

I'm glad. That means you don't believe everything you read. On what scholarly grounds do you believe the contents of the gospels and Paul are veracious??


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Biblo

Nobody is more well documented in antiquity than was Jesus and so closely dated documents to the events.

fta

Only if you believe John actually wrote the Fourth Gospel.

Umm, ever heard of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima in Portugal? How could 100,000 eyewitnesses be wrong?

Biblo

John's phrases used in Revelation and 1,2,3 John are the same as John's gospel.

You know their vision was false because Mary is asleep in Abraham's bosom. They contradict God's word. So that is how you can expose a fraud.

spin

Lack of real information is not a wise response from you. You are certainly wrong and repeating errors. You cannot date the gospels, despite the opinions of the scholars. But I can easily show you plenty of people much better documented than Jesus. Julius Caesar, Augustus. Seti I, Ramses II. Etc. I can show either statuary and coins and inscriptions from the Romans' times and the bodies for the Egyptians.

Please think clearly before you give knee-jerk reactions.


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Johnny Skeptic

Where does 1 Corinthians 15 say that Paul "met" Peter, James, and John, and that Peter, James, and John personally told Paul that they had seen Jesus after he rose from the dead?

Which church fathers? Please quote your sources. What sources did the church fathers use regarding the martyrdom of Peter, James, and John. During what years did the church fathers make their claims?

Regarding "people don't die for something they know is a lie," of course not, but no one has claimed otherwise. During World War II, many Japanese Kamikaze pilots died for their religious beliefs, but their religious beliefs were probably false. Today, many Muslims have died for their religious beliefs, but their religious beliefs are probably false.

Possibly if not probably innocent but inaccurate revelations, which in fact are not at all uncommon in religious literature and other sources. Decades after the supposed facts, someone may have had an innocent but inaccurate revelation that Peter, James, and John saw Jesus after he rose from the dead, and Paul heard about the claim second hand, but only the part about Jesus being seen, not the part about the revelation, and accepted the revelation as a fact because he was unaware that the claim was a revelation. As you know, second hand claims often end up much different than the original story.