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Old 05-02-2013, 12:21 AM   #131
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At least that's a better reply than flying horses.
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. Naturally you never agreed that I could prove my thesis that there are seven written eyewitness records to Jesus, but you no longer claim that I never presented any evidence for the three of them in the Gospel of John.
I have read this and do not see where you proved any eyewitness to anything.
Yes, that's the mantra here on FRDB regarding my thesis in Gospel Eyewitnesses. You responded a few times in that thread, but I doubt that you read and considered adequately the whole thread (over 600 posts). That's why I keep challenging everyone to read my peer-reviewed article in my Significance of John thread. spin never posted there and judging by his continued contumely never read it at all. No one has challenged it except Shesh (if that counts).
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is a bad example of your general point. I don't see any reason to doubt his basic historicity.
I was working from the Petersborough Chronicle which comes in in the 14th c. You may be right though, as I'm not up with the full range of evidence. I would have thought that Prester John was more the odd man out, being obviously the least historical.
IIUC the Peterborough chronicle was completed in 1154. (I agree that Prester John is almost entirely legendary.)

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I have read this and do not see where you proved any eyewitness to anything.
Yes, that's the mantra here on FRDB regarding my thesis in Gospel Eyewitnesses. You responded a few times in that thread, but I doubt that you read and considered adequately the whole thread (over 600 posts). That's why I keep challenging everyone to read my peer-reviewed article in my Significance of John thread. spin never posted there and judging by his continued contumely never read it at all. No one has challenged it except Shesh (if that counts).
Peer reviewed by whom?
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See my Post #129 from yesterday.
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Hmmm, thats good. But one thing. Proving the bible with itself does not prove anything so where do you go from there?
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... I keep challenging everyone to read my peer-reviewed article in my Significance of John thread.
Yes, you obviously do.
And there is perhaps no better way to persuade people that your leaps of imagination and 'possibly's'', 'perhaps's', maybe's, and 'could have's are nothing but vacuous speculations build upon speculations, all of it without any solid foundation in provable fact.

One wonders what you mean by 'peer review'. I have read everything you have posted, but where are your 'peers' reviews, or second or third party commentary and support for your multitude of assertions?
Did these 'peers' just skim through your submission? or 'rubber stamp it' without offering any critical analysis of its reasoning or content?

Whatever. We have read your various submission here, your methodology is bankrupt and your multitude of assertions are not persuasive.
But I certainly encourage anyone that can endure Adam's walls of gutted and mutilated text, and endless flights of imaginative fancy to go ahead and read everything in Adam's thread's, as that is the most effective way of learning exactly what is wrong with his vaunted 'peer reviewed' writings.
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No use responding in kind. Not on this website, anyway.
If spin plans to shoot down my claims to authenticity, I need to repeat what I said here recently, if one is going to ask Editor David Bossman at Biblical Theology Bulletin if my paper was peer reviewed there in 1980, be advised that the title was not "Significance of John" but "The Three Sources and Five Editions of John"--or the other way round (no, not Five Sources and Three Editions of John").

And yes, BTB is put out by Roman Catholics. I converted to RC in 1969, largely as a result of historical study as an outgrowth of earning my M. A. in History that year (but turned Episcopalian in 1992 and Lutheran in 2004). BTB is rather liberal.

I think we all know what it means that spin still refuses to deal with my thread.
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Cincinnatus Society (1 out of 1,000)

Cincinnatus was founded by Grady Ward in 1987 at the 99.9 percentile during

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defunct since about 1989. It seems Grady faked his own death (there was a

death notice in the “Mensa Bulletin”), but has become well-known in

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... I keep challenging everyone to read my peer-reviewed article in my Significance of John thread.
Yes, you obviously do.
And there is perhaps no better way to persuade people that your leaps of imagination and 'possibly's'', 'perhaps's', maybe's, and 'could have's are nothing but vacuous speculations build upon speculations, all of it without any solid foundation in provable fact.

One wonders what you mean by 'peer review'. I have read everything you have posted, but where are your 'peers' reviews, or second or third party commentary and support for your multitude of assertions?
Did these 'peers' just skim through your submission? or 'rubber stamp it' without offering any critical analysis of its reasoning or content?

Whatever. We have read your various submission here, your methodology is bankrupt and your multitude of assertions are not persuasive.
But I certainly encourage anyone that can endure Adam's walls of gutted and mutilated text, and endless flights of imaginative fancy to go ahead and read everything in Adam's thread's, as that is the most effective way of learning exactly what is wrong with his vaunted 'peer reviewed' writings.
I have read it. But what I would like to know is how does he explain this?

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The case needs to be made that each eyewitness record adds to the probability that the gospels have at least one eyewitness. Let’s assume a minimal probability component that a particular eyewitness is 10% certain to be such. That leaves a 90% probability that he does not serve to prove to be an eyewitness. But each additional eyewitness proposed drops that negative result by a factor of .9, leaving 81% after considering two. After considering four, the negative probability drops to 65%, then down to 52% after six are multiplied together. The negative drops to just over 40% after the seven. True, all these probabilities are not independent, but the probability of each is probably a lot larger than 10%. All in all the probability that there was not at least one eyewitness probably drops to 10-20%.
It reminds me of Carrier's assertion in "Proving History" where he uses Bayes Theorem. It's like a murder committed on a street corner in New York City. Millions of people walk by and no one sees a thing. So police use statistics and probability to narrow down their witnesses to the crime.
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I have read it. But what I would like to know is how does he explain this?

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The case needs to be made that each eyewitness record adds to the probability that the gospels have at least one eyewitness. Let’s assume a minimal probability component that a particular eyewitness is 10% certain to be such. That leaves a 90% probability that he does not serve to prove to be an eyewitness. But each additional eyewitness proposed drops that negative result by a factor of .9, leaving 81% after considering two. After considering four, the negative probability drops to 65%, then down to 52% after six are multiplied together. The negative drops to just over 40% after the seven. True, all these probabilities are not independent, but the probability of each is probably a lot larger than 10%. All in all the probability that there was not at least one eyewitness probably drops to 10-20%.
http://www.freeratio.org/showpost.ph...&postcount=170
It reminds me of Carrier's assertion in "Proving History" where he uses Bayes Theorem. It's like a murder committed on a street corner in New York City. Millions of people walk by and no one sees a thing. So police use statistics and probability to narrow down their witnesses to the crime.
Fortunately I had recently reviewed my Gospel Eyewitnesses thread and thus could insert the above link to my Post #170 there. This makes clear that the "it" you are referring to is not my peer-reviewed Significance of John thread, but my other longer (628 posts), more challenging, but also less rigorous thread. I tailored my message to this internet age. That got responses, almost all censuring me for failure to document my case. Yet most of those same critics still refuse to read and post on my peer-reviewed thread. They content themselves with sniping at a safe distance from such forgettable threads as this one, and the best they can come up with is quibbling about what peer-reviewed means.

So "No", that concluding paragraph from my #170 in Gospel Eyewitnesses is not peer reviewed. You are quite free to dismiss it as just my opinion or worse as just copying-catting on Carrier's Bayes Theorem pretentiousness.
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