Carin Nel

I apologise!!!:notworthy:
Sorry, I forgot to acknowledge Jesus who spoke the words in Mt. 15:14 as well as the author of the book, namely Mathew (although you don't agree that he is the author), as well as the KJV of the Bible.

For Rom. 1:19 + 20 I acknowledge the author,Paul of Tarsis as well as the KJV of the Bible.

Regards
Carin Nel

greyline

Carin, are you able to answer my question? What are the sources for those stories you posted? If you don't know the source, that's fine - you can just say they landed in your Inbox or whatever. I'd just like to know how they originated.

Thanks.

Carin Nel

I found it here: http://mailman.sabinet.co.za/piperma...ry/000316.html
Published by Magde Britz magde@sabinet.co.za

I could find verification for the following facts from that article:
TANCREDO NEVES – died before he could become president.-Wikipedia

John Lennon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Le...22_controversy

The man who built the Titanic: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whoweare/ex...c/titanic1.htm

BON SCOTT: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1178


I could not find proof for the rest, but it could be true, seeing that the rest is true.

Regards
Carin Nel

windsofchange

So are you saying that God killed an ENTIRE SHIP FULL OF PEOPLE in order to get back at ONE MAN who made a snide comment about God?

Wow, His mercy and forgiveness are just astounding.

voodoomage

Actually, by noting the book, chapter, and verse, you have cited all that you need for biblical passages. Although your little play at being ignorant here is cute.

Wait... no its not. Seriously, either contribute to the discussion with relevant material, or don't be surprised when we get upset with your off-topic posts. Also, I personally would appreciate it if you would start arguing with your own words instead of using the words of others for your posts.

Carin Nel

I did not know that all the people on the ship died!
Where did you find that piece of information?
Regards,
Carin

Carin Nel

So why didn't you personally respond to my own words, (except for the Scriptures I quoted) when I gave my opinion on the original question of the thread, namely : "Did Jesus *have* to die?"

To refresh your memory, here is my answer to that question again:

"I'm sure this has been discussed in detail in this forum, so after reading the above answers, I don't get the feeling that you really want to know or even care, but I may be wrong, so I'm going to give my answer for what it's worth for you.....
The death of Christ was necessary to make the New Covenant. Mt.26:28, "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remissin of sins" - No covenant was made without blood.
The New Covenant sacrifice brought ETERNAL redemption, because the Old Covenant sacrifices could not remit one sin, but the blood of Christ does. Heb. 9+10 explains it vey well.
Man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Rom.3:28
In Rom 4:17 justificaton faith is demonstrated, and in Heb.11 we see that Christ is better than the Old Testament faith examples.
Heb. 10:16 - 23 ...Where remission of sin and iniquities are, there is no more offering for sin and those believers have boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which He has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh..our hearts are sprinkled from an evil conscience.."
Col.2:14-17; 1 Pet. 2:24


Did you know, voodoomage, that the veil to the entrance of the Holy of Holies was torn the moment that Christ died? It was the symbol of the body of Christ that had to be "torn" to give us access to the Holy of Holies, that means the presence of God, or Throne Room. Only through the blood Christ can one enter. That is also why Christ called Himself "the door."

Before Christ died, only the High Priest could enter into the Holy of Holies in the temple, so the torn veil gives us the assurance that the New Covenant gives all believers in Christ access to that place - the presence of God.

It is very clear right through the New Testament why Christ had to die."

Regards
Carin Nel

greyline

Googling shows this list to be copied all over the web in the same format - they've all copied from each other and don't state any sources. The classic symptom of an urban myth.


The Wiki article doesn't mention him saying anything about 500 votes and god. It's a bio. It wouldn't surprise me if he had said it, but the Wiki article is not a valid source.


He was shot 14 years later - hardly a convincing cause-and-effect argument.


That quote doesn't appear on that page, or anywhere on the website (Library of Virginia). It does appear in several places on Christian websites, all copied from each other. The classic phrase used to describe the Titanic in its day was "practically unsinkable" - no mocking of God there.


You failed to properly read that link. Highway to Hell was the nickname for the Canning Highway in Australia, with which Scott was familiar, and where many fatal accidents happened. He was not blaspheming or mocking God by inserting that phrase into a song. Edit to add: the second explanation, also give at Wiki, was that the phrase was guitarist Angus Young's response to an interviewer's question about what life on tour in America was like.


Now that I've done a little research and discovered not even all those were true, do you begin to doubt the others?

windsofchange

My apologies, I was being metaphorical. Let me rephrase the question.

Are you saying that God killed 1,450 PEOPLE in order to get back at ONE MAN who made a snide remark about Him?

You're right, that makes a big difference.

greyline

As for this one, if such an extraordinary event occurred only one year ago, there would be online newspaper articles about it. When I google keywords from the story (Campinas drunk eggs car) I get a few pages of hits - every single one relating to this "event" from the first four pages is a verbatim repetition of the story on a Christian website. No newspaper articles.

Teenagers riding around with a crate of eggs in the boot is, of course, too funny for words.