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DetectedDestiny · 02-08-2004, 02:00 PM

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The first recorded streaker.

That man was not the first streaker whatsoever! Isaiah walked naked for 3 years, according to Isaiah 20:2-3.

my dog earl · 02-08-2004, 02:33 PM

Ah yes, but streakers run!

DetectedDestiny · 02-09-2004, 08:31 AM

Surely he must have been chased or something at least once in those three years. Just because the bible doesn't mention something doesn't mean it didn't happen!

02-09-2004, 10:36 AM

No, there is not sin in what we call purgatory.

Doctor X · 02-09-2004, 03:20 PM

Well, he had the runs. . . .

Anyways, some interpret the young man as a symbol of Junior's status that is set free at the arrest and brought back with the "resurrection." Who knows?

--J.D.

NOGO · 02-09-2004, 05:39 PM

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S.J. Pimlott
I think Mark has in the back of his mind Amos 2:16 'and he who is stout of heart among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day," says the LORD.'

Are we to believe that a certain young man, otherwise unknown, was the bravest man around.

If Amos 2:16 was what Mark had in mind he would have, it seems to me, picked a known and perhaps not so young a man.

Bob K · 02-12-2004, 03:19 AM

What is the possibility that we could put the following clues together?

Clue #1: Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

Clue #2: Mark 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

What exactly is meant by 'and the young men laid hold on him' ?!?!?!?!

Let's fill in some dots.

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"And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan." http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

Dot #1: But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him.

Dot #2: [In] the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body.

Dot #3: And he remained with him that night.

Dot #4: Jesus taught him ...

Dot #5: [The] mystery of the Kingdom of God.

Could 'the mystery of the Kingdom of God' be a euphemism for homosexual activities/happenings?

Could J have been gay?

Amaleq13 · 02-12-2004, 05:47 AM

Bob K,

You wouldn't be the first to offer that suggestion but it seems, IMHO, to require anachronistic interpretation. What seems more likely to me is that the youth is being described as becoming initiated (i.e. baptized) into the Kingdom. If that is the case, this would be the only reference (and indirect at that) to Jesus conducting a baptism.

As I understand it, early Christian initiates were nude for their baptism but arrived covered in a cloth.

Bob K · 02-12-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Amaleq13
Bob K,

You wouldn't be the first to offer that suggestion but it seems, IMHO, to require anachronistic interpretation. What seems more likely to me is that the youth is being described as becoming initiated (i.e. baptized) into the Kingdom. If that is the case, this would be the only reference (and indirect at that) to Jesus conducting a baptism.

As I understand it, early Christian initiates were nude for their baptism but arrived covered in a cloth.

What is most interesting and perhaps critical is the time J spent with the naked youth--all night, if you get what I mean.

How much time is needed for a baptism?

Was Gay J performing rituals John the Baptist did not?

How much time is needed to teach someone

A. Gods exist.

B. Gods have kingdoms.

C. The requirements gods have for admitting humans to their kingdoms.

D. Etc.?

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02-08-2004, 02:33 PM	#12
my dog earl Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 149	Ah yes, but streakers run!

02-09-2004, 08:31 AM	#13
DetectedDestiny Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Netherlands Posts: 141	Surely he must have been chased or something at least once in those three years. Just because the bible doesn't mention something doesn't mean it didn't happen!

02-09-2004, 10:36 AM	#14
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	No, there is not sin in what we call purgatory.

02-09-2004, 03:20 PM	#15
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Well, he had the runs. . . . Anyways, some interpret the young man as a symbol of Junior's status that is set free at the arrest and brought back with the "resurrection." Who knows? --J.D.

02-12-2004, 05:47 AM	#18
Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	Bob K, You wouldn't be the first to offer that suggestion but it seems, IMHO, to require anachronistic interpretation. What seems more likely to me is that the youth is being described as becoming initiated (i.e. baptized) into the Kingdom. If that is the case, this would be the only reference (and indirect at that) to Jesus conducting a baptism. As I understand it, early Christian initiates were nude for their baptism but arrived covered in a cloth.

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