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Roland · 08-21-2007, 09:56 PM

Contradiction #1:

Luke says all 11 remaining disciples were present when the resurrected Jesus appeared to them in the locked room on Easter night.

John says Thomas was absent.

#2

Matthew says an angel told Mary Magdalene that Jesus had risen.
John says Jesus himself told her.

jeffevnz · 08-22-2007, 02:24 AM

1) God kills all the Egyptians' horses, then the Egyptians chase Moses on horseback.

2) God, who we are told repeatedly can never be seen by anyone, has dinner with Abraham and a wrestling match with Jacob.

Although it's not a contradiction, my favorite Bible quote of all time is Judges 1:19

"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

Classic.

Godless Dave · 08-22-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tjakey

The two different ways that Judas died. God must have been really pissed to kill that poor fucker twice, two different ways.

That's my favorite because it's so clear cut. And yet inerrantists don't seem to think it's a problem; I guess they think both versions of Judas's death are factually correct. He simultaneously hung himself and flung himself off a cliff, apparently.

Godless Dave · 08-22-2007, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Timetospend

It just means that I am willing to accept scribal errors where there is evidence that one exists. I do not think that such scribal errors have created a problem with the message that God has chosen to send via the Bible.

That's not a completely unreasonable position. However, you must be aware that there are millions of Christians who believe that the Protestant Bible is completely without error.

empiricalDeity · 08-22-2007, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Godless Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjakey

The two different ways that Judas died. God must have been really pissed to kill that poor fucker twice, two different ways.

That's my favorite because it's so clear cut. And yet inerrantists don't seem to think it's a problem; I guess they think both versions of Judas's death are factually correct. He simultaneously hung himself and flung himself off a cliff, apparently.

He didn't flung himself off a cliff, i thought he just explosed.

Doddy · 08-22-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Godless Dave

That's my favorite because it's so clear cut. And yet inerrantists don't seem to think it's a problem; I guess they think both versions of Judas's death are factually correct. He simultaneously hung himself and flung himself off a cliff, apparently.

Look carefully:

Quote:

Matthew 27:5
"And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Acts 1:18
"Now [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

See, it only says he burst his guts out on a rock. It's easy for them to imagine a person hanging themselves with a weak rope, that rope tearing and him falling headfirst to the ground, hitting a rock.

I think this 'contradiction' receives to much time. There is a far better one in the same story:

Priests buy the 'field of blood' with Judas' silver

Quote:

Matthew 27:5-8
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

Judas buys the 'field of blood' himself

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Acts 1:18-19
"Now [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood"

Although technically this is a contrary, it's much harder to imagine a solution without making up critical facts that the Bible fails to include.

angelo · 08-22-2007, 04:34 AM

It has to be the 4 gospels. 5 if Thomas is counted. There are contradictions on practically every page.

The bible is the best creator of atheists, if read properly.

Doddy · 08-22-2007, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by angelo atheist

The bible is the best creator of atheists, if read properly.

You mean "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."

Asimov exaggerates though.

Roland · 08-22-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffevnz

1) God kills all the Egyptians' horses, then the Egyptians chase Moses on horseback.

2) God, who we are told repeatedly can never be seen by anyone, has dinner with Abraham and a wrestling match with Jacob.

Although it's not a contradiction, my favorite Bible quote of all time is Judges 1:19

"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

Classic.

Not just the horses, but ALL the Egyptian livestock keep being wiped out then miraculously reappearing throughout the course of the story.

angelo · 08-23-2007, 04:10 AM

[QUOTE=Doddy;4724757]

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Originally Posted by angelo atheist

The bible is the best creator of atheists, if read properly.

Quote:

You mean "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."

Asimov exaggerates though.

I don't remember Asimov ever exaggerating. Yes that what I was tying to remember; his quote, which is spot on.

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08-21-2007, 09:56 PM	#51
Roland Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: California Posts: 748	Contradiction #1: Luke says all 11 remaining disciples were present when the resurrected Jesus appeared to them in the locked room on Easter night. John says Thomas was absent. #2 Matthew says an angel told Mary Magdalene that Jesus had risen. John says Jesus himself told her.

08-22-2007, 02:24 AM	#52
jeffevnz Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA, USA Posts: 3,370	1) God kills all the Egyptians' horses, then the Egyptians chase Moses on horseback. 2) God, who we are told repeatedly can never be seen by anyone, has dinner with Abraham and a wrestling match with Jacob. Although it's not a contradiction, my favorite Bible quote of all time is Judges 1:19 "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." Classic.

08-22-2007, 04:34 AM	#57
angelo Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 5,706	It has to be the 4 gospels. 5 if Thomas is counted. There are contradictions on practically every page. The bible is the best creator of atheists, if read properly.

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