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2-J · 12-28-2009, 12:41 PM

I am reading Bart Ehrman's book "Whose Word Is It?" at the moment, and he suggests that Jesus may have written down the sins of the accusers on the ground. Maybe that embarrassed them and that is why they left.

show_no_mercy · 12-29-2009, 08:08 AM

It's ironic that the only instance we have of Jesus actually writing anything comes from an interpolation. And he writes in the sand so that there's no way to save his original thoughts.

Why didn't Jesus leave any writings for his church?

Larkin31 · 12-29-2009, 08:13 AM

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It's ironic that the only instance we have of Jesus actually writing anything comes from an interpolation. And he writes in the sand so that there's no way to save his original thoughts.

Why didn't Jesus leave any writings for his church?

How many peasants ever wrote stuff down?

show_no_mercy · 12-29-2009, 08:56 AM

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It's ironic that the only instance we have of Jesus actually writing anything comes from an interpolation. And he writes in the sand so that there's no way to save his original thoughts.

Why didn't Jesus leave any writings for his church?

How many peasants ever wrote stuff down?

But Jesus (especially as he's presented in John) wasn't a peasant. He was the Logos made flesh - the living embodiment of logic/reasoning (or the word of god).

Deus Ex · 12-29-2009, 09:05 AM

He was obviously writing the Gospel According to Jesus. Too bad it blew away before a scribe could copy it!

Larkin31 · 12-29-2009, 11:03 AM

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How many peasants ever wrote stuff down?

But Jesus (especially as he's presented in John) wasn't a peasant. He was the Logos made flesh - the living embodiment of logic/reasoning (or the word of god).

well, ok

how many of them guys have written stuff down in the past?

(same question for either case)

Doug Shaver · 12-29-2009, 11:10 AM

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he suggests that Jesus may have written down the sins of the accusers on the ground.

That suggestion was first made, at the very least, over 80 years ago. Cecil B. DeMille showed him doing just that in the silent film "King of Kings."

Iskander · 12-29-2009, 02:58 PM

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Hi, Julio

I find it difficult to understand your criticism of this passage.

Is it inspired? It gives very good advice on what not to do to an adulteress and it is very courageous of Jesus to say what he said. He spoke against the Law of Moses.

He was pretending to write on the sand to finish the exchange in an appropriate manner, but when requested to defend his position or join the stone throwers Jesus defied the cruel law and won the battle.

Was it inserted? Why should that matter once is part of our history?

Did men/ women write it? Yes of course, but what men/women write, do, create etc. is never an illusion. Sometimes what we do is no good, but in every instance is a reality that affects our lives.

The life of Jesus is very interesting and this passage is super dooper!

It is strange, is it not, that Jesus was contradicting and violating a law his holy father in heaven gave to Israel!
The son rephrasing the father?
The Law came from Jehovah, and here comes Jesus amending it according to him.
Weird.
Why would his holy father not find a BETTER way to circumvent the original problem?
It proves the Law of Moses was only Moses' cruelty!

Thank you Julio

It does not look weird to me. As you say it was the Law of Moses and it was a bad law. The authors of the Gospels have Jesus abrogating the law that made it legal to stone adulteresses in a passage that is both pleasing in itself and also for what is implicit in it.

Both Judaism and Christianity have found a way of updating their interpretation of god and this ability to change god is a glorious achievement that should please any god if such a thing exists

andrewcriddle · 01-04-2010, 02:45 AM

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he suggests that Jesus may have written down the sins of the accusers on the ground.

That suggestion was first made, at the very least, over 80 years ago. Cecil B. DeMille showed him doing just that in the silent film "King of Kings."

The idea is present in many late manuscripts of John as an addition to verse 8

Andrew Criddle

Zeluvia · 01-04-2010, 11:48 PM

I think he drew the ancient nordic rune for STFU.

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12-28-2009, 12:41 PM	#11
2-J Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 179	I am reading Bart Ehrman's book "Whose Word Is It?" at the moment, and he suggests that Jesus may have written down the sins of the accusers on the ground. Maybe that embarrassed them and that is why they left.

12-29-2009, 08:08 AM	#12
show_no_mercy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Dancing Posts: 9,940	It's ironic that the only instance we have of Jesus actually writing anything comes from an interpolation. And he writes in the sand so that there's no way to save his original thoughts. Why didn't Jesus leave any writings for his church?

12-29-2009, 09:05 AM	#15
Deus Ex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,348	He was obviously writing the Gospel According to Jesus. Too bad it blew away before a scribe could copy it!

01-04-2010, 11:48 PM	#20
Zeluvia Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 5,172	I think he drew the ancient nordic rune for STFU.

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